Hello. Welcome to Daily's episode number two fifty two from, Montreal. It's currently 10 degrees and a light rain, and I feel silly doing this when someone's watching me. My guest on this episode is actually my wife, Sue, who's joining me on this journey.
Speaker 2:Hi. A
Speaker 1:musical journey. And that's a YouTube joke for the YouTube to a YouTube fan listeners.
Speaker 2:Welcome to Daily(ish).
Speaker 1:See, thing doing it purpose makes me feel like silly for the thing I do that all the time by myself in my office. Like, especially I think recording Daily(ish) with you. I felt I remember feeling the same when Paul was on, like, he was in my office or whatever Mhmm. There. And Chris, I think, we did it.
Speaker 1:Mhmm. No. Chris and I did Lost in Lemon. Like, it was like it's just like a thing we were doing together or whatever. Anyways
Speaker 2:I haven't listened to a Daily ish recently enough to be able to mock you with it cause I feel like you haven't been recording.
Speaker 1:Seriously, just just like a thing you're watching, like a performance that you're watching me do, I'm like, normally I just have to stare at my computer and I don't have to think about a person sitting across the table for me.
Speaker 2:Well, it's maybe just really good for you to realize that people are listening to it.
Speaker 1:See, I go with the assumption that nobody's listening, and that's easier.
Speaker 2:I know, but that's not good. I don't think that's helping you.
Speaker 1:Well, I do the YouTube one knowing that people are listening.
Speaker 2:Like, I'm
Speaker 1:very aware that that. But
Speaker 2:I know. But you you struggle with the the Careful.
Speaker 1:This is being recorded.
Speaker 2:That's great. You can listen back here. You struggle with combining the non personal world of the Internet with your personal world that where you have to actually see people and interact with them in other ways. Agree or disagree?
Speaker 1:I think I struggle with trusting that someone who's not in the Internet world will understand what that what happens there is as normal and interesting and fun as what happens in the non. So, like, not that people I don't think they're dumb or that people who don't miss, like let's say someone who doesn't listen to the YouTube podcast and there's a few like circles of like weirdness there, like hardcore YouTube fan, first of all, hardcore YouTube fan who does a podcast plus someone who podcasts and records that alive on the Internet. Right. There's three different like weird weirdness of things going on. And so trusting that with someone that I'm that like, it's like the 14 year old me who's nervous to tell people at school that he plays video games or whatever.
Speaker 1:Right. And there's kind of that idea of like more not that I think that person who doesn't do those things is stupid and won't and that's why they won't understand.
Speaker 2:Mhmm.
Speaker 1:It's because I'm afraid to open up that part and feel like they're going to think I'm stupid for doing those things or weird or whatever. And so rather than like risk that, I'll just keep it close to my vest and chest or whatever and not trust that person with that. Like downplay what I do if I'm talking to someone who's not like on Twitter and doesn't speak the language and doesn't sort of isn't in that that world at all. Mhmm. Like I trust, you know, like Dave, who does a podcast and plays video games.
Speaker 1:I trust him to understand that someone would do a podcast about YouTube. He might not get YouTube.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:But he he like, doesn't like you to at all, I don't think, or whatever. But like, I trust that he gets why someone would do that. Right. Whereas someone who doesn't speak in that world very much at all, I don't trust with that personally, like the emotion of it or whatever.
Speaker 2:But do you feel like maybe the world is changing? If I tell people that you do podcasting, most people know what that is even now. Right. Whereas five years ago, I would say that people would be like, what are you talking about?
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And even if I said you do a podcast about you too, I think people they wouldn't find that I assume people aren't finding it weird when I say it.
Speaker 1:Maybe you're naive.
Speaker 2:Maybe I'm naive. No. But no. But, like like, I haven't gotten a, like, what? Like, what kind of
Speaker 1:There's something that has flipped Kind of recently where it's now it's like they feel weird for not understanding tech. Like, technology is cooler now and so, like, you're a weirdo if you don't get it. Maybe it has happened. Whereas because I still have one flip back in the old way, the old days. Yeah.
Speaker 1:I still feel that like there's a part of my brain that's like not still doesn't trust that people aren't going to whatever nerd stereotype thing. Yeah. And so and so it makes it hard for me to just own it Mhmm. In public, like whether Right. With church or with friends or family even or whatever.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Which is partially also a bit of our culture and context. Like which culture? Like, as in our like, specific family culture, meaning like extended family, and maybe friend culture and all that kind of stuff where self promotion isn't like is kind of looked down on or like you don't really You don't really talk about the creative or things or whatever things that you do. Like, you know, it's okay.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, I don't really know how other people feel. But like, for instance, I sew little pouches or whatever. Right? There'd be lots of people in my life that would have no idea that I do that because I don't talk about it because it's just kind of not the thing. Like, it's it's like, oh, you have The
Speaker 1:culture of what we
Speaker 2:call You have a little thing that you do that, you know, like it's
Speaker 1:Which is something you're putting on. Because there's lots of people in your circles now who would be like with like Instagram or whatever who would promote that they do things like that.
Speaker 2:Yeah. In common.
Speaker 1:But Yeah. Yeah. Because of what we grew up in, it changes that.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Yes.
Speaker 1:Yeah. That baggage.
Speaker 2:But also, like, I would say the people that are promoting it are are doing it because they wanna sell stuff, which is like, I don't do it because it's just like a little hobby. I like sewing, and I like I like sewing, but I don't sew clothes or anything like that. And so I don't really wanna put that out there, you know, because I don't want people to ask me to sew clothes. I like sewing little boxed items like purses or baskets or whatever, like, you know? So it's a very specific thing that I like.
Speaker 2:And so then, and I and I don't do it for money. I just do it as a hobby. And so. Yeah, so I don't I feel like and I don't really put it out there very much because I don't want people to think. I don't even know why.
Speaker 1:Well, it's changed for me because I lately I realize is like because I've my business is focused now, like at least 50% or more on doing podcasting. I feel okay with telling people this is what I do because I want to do that more. And so it's a business thing. And I people pay me money to do this. It's not just a hobby.
Speaker 1:Mhmm. And so I feel okay with it's not like I'm off spending every evening and weekends in the basement talking into a microphone and hoping people are gonna listen. Yeah. I'm actually like making money business at this and they might not get what podcasting is if they have never listened, but they would at least appreciate that it's a business that's putting food on our table or whatever is how I justify it,
Speaker 2:I think. Right. Right. And I would say that's very much the culture that we live in. I don't like and I I don't know.
Speaker 2:I'd be interested to find out if this
Speaker 1:Our demographic is not like, whether it's our immediate family or the communities that we're in socially are not like very art creative focused.
Speaker 2:Or hobby focused. Right?
Speaker 1:Yeah. I guess. I don't know.
Speaker 2:Right? Like, feel like unless you're doing it to create an income, otherwise, it's kind of like, well, why are you spending your time doing that?
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Which I mean, it's not entirely true. I have friends that do pottery or whatever, paint or whatever, and I totally respect that. And when they talk about it, I love hearing about it. And so I don't feel like my attitude is that way, but I don't know.
Speaker 2:Maybe that's what people that's what I feel like I come across. Maybe it's like especially our immediate families are not very hobby slash like
Speaker 1:Do it for the fun of it?
Speaker 2:Yeah. Kind of creative. Let's just do things because it's fun to do.
Speaker 1:Which there'd be people who might, if this is ever into a podcast, would disagree
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:Within your family.
Speaker 2:Yes. And actually, I would say maybe Who do podcasts? Our parents is really what I mean. Like the our families of origin in terms of our the the cultures that our parents created in our families.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Like, I would say, especially going to my family, you you spend your time You have a plan. Yes. Well, you spend your time doing things that are of value. And so, and creative endeavors are not always of value. And so I don't know if Right.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Which I'm saying that's totally a misconception, I'm sure. Because there would be a lot of that like, there would be a lot of times where that isn't true. But it's just kind of this perceived, like, I can't really tell you about my the silly things I do because they're not of value. So then
Speaker 1:I think it comes back to not trusting that they'll understand. Yeah. And so you don't give them the chance to experience what you're doing or understand what you're doing. You just assume. Mhmm.
Speaker 1:And so then that's and then you live with like this bitter broken heart that nobody gets what you do when you're not willing to talk about it. I'm talking Yeah. Into the mirror, but
Speaker 2:Yeah. Literally and figuratively.
Speaker 1:There is a mirror. Right? Next to us. A huge mirror as we record, which is why it probably sounds really echoey.
Speaker 2:But so and I don't know if we can circle back to my original question. You not you feel like your personal world doesn't understand your Internet world or or what do you I don't even know what to call that. Your virtual world?
Speaker 1:No. Because they're real they're real people, obviously, and they're real friends. Yeah. But there is like a
Speaker 2:But you connect with them virtually. Right?
Speaker 1:For the most part. Yeah. Like, there's there'd be like YouTube people, podcast people, obviously, talk with very literally like a voice talk, but primarily through a recording of a podcast or whatever.
Speaker 2:But I mean, voice is even still virtual. Like you're not going out for coffee.
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah.
Speaker 2:You're not. But
Speaker 1:it's not virtual.
Speaker 2:Seeing them in the real tangible world.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Yeah. But that's where I don't like, there's a lot of our people in our social circles or whatever and family who would think that that's weird to have close friends based on that because 90 some percent like they would get that like they would have friends or family who are far away that they talk with virtually or whatever you want to call it.
Speaker 2:And
Speaker 1:that's they understand that's still a valid communication method. Yeah. But to have someone who is a friend or whatever who's based first only in that whatever far away world is kind of foreign to them. Right? Right.
Speaker 1:Like not a lot of our friends would seek out a group of people who like a thing they like, whether it's pottery or drinking wine or or whatever.
Speaker 2:I keep trying to name.
Speaker 1:Shame somebody.
Speaker 2:Name my my Yeah. Just your friends.
Speaker 1:They don't listen anyway.
Speaker 2:Friends hobbies or my hobby.
Speaker 1:Drinking wine can be a hobby.
Speaker 2:For some people, yes. For some people,
Speaker 1:have to go to counseling for it. But like, they wouldn't think they wouldn't even think to seek out that I could find out more about this hobby by integrating with other people. Like they'll Yeah. I'm sure they'd look up like how to fix a blah in whatever in pottery or how to what, you know Yeah. In the thing that they're doing.
Speaker 1:But they wouldn't necessarily want to then join that community that they stumbled across. Whereas for me, that was like a huge I had nobody who was like a huge YouTube fan like me. And so seeking and finding them out and then being invited into that community, it was like, wow, this is really cool. Like there's other people like
Speaker 2:me who
Speaker 1:happily debate which whatever remix of a certain song is the better one and which album is better and, you know, debate all that kind of stuff. Mhmm. And are willing to go that in-depth on it or whatever. Yeah. So that's where it was.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, there's so many things that I wanna ask still.
Speaker 1:Because the people who are like the my say the at YouTube friends, it is very not very much not weird. Very not weird at all to have friends you see every day you go for coffee with and also friends you never might never meet in your life that you share stuff with as well. Right. And sometimes, like, and there's no divide really in terms of what you would share or what like, or not like a divide, but like, you could equally be as in-depth with this person you're sitting across the table with as with a person that you might never meet or you've only seen once at a concert or something.
Speaker 2:Right. Or
Speaker 1:or even in the Apple world, but I like what it doesn't have be YouTube fans, like the Apple world too. Like it's kinda like unifying around a thing and then
Speaker 2:But I would be interested to know, like, because I feel like you have really pushed yourself. Like, you have really invested in relationships that are not here, like, not in your material world. I don't know what to call it. Do you know what I mean? Right.
Speaker 2:Not in your face to face world.
Speaker 1:Meat space is what
Speaker 2:space is that It's where
Speaker 1:flesh and meat.
Speaker 2:Okay. Good. I like that.
Speaker 1:I don't know what people call it. That's where I think there isn't like, as much of a divide for like the twenty to thirty somethings for sure who are in that like much more in that space. They still have like lots like there wouldn't be a divide between a friend here and a friend out there per se.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:Right?
Speaker 2:But well, and there's that yeah.
Speaker 1:But, anyways, your question
Speaker 2:There's a whole There's a whole debate on whether that's good or not. Right? Right. Like that's, I feel like I wish I had the Brene Brown book here because that she has like a whole, you know, talking about like what the effects of simply connecting with people non face to face, and allowing that to become your world, and what that can do to you. And just like research or whatever, compiled research.
Speaker 2:So it's not just her opinion. It's like, but and so, like, just because that's happening in the 2020
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah. No. Yeah. It's not like an excuse to
Speaker 2:say Doesn't
Speaker 1:mean
Speaker 2:it's a good thing. And so that's like where I push back against it because I don't think, I think you need to have that physical face to face interactions in your life. And I think for you, I feel like that would make it help it become more normal on a, like, basis of like, it it would help it become more normal in a way that where you would be a little bit more willing to share what happens in your virtual space versus your meet space.
Speaker 1:Right. And it goes, which goes back to the weather feeling like whether I can trust either trust people with it or feeling like every time I bring it up that I have this friend Matt who's in Seattle. He's a YouTube fan and I've met him once and we've talked a lot about YouTube and we do this like having to explain all that instead of just being like, oh yeah, of course, you have a friend you met online and you talk about YouTube stuff like and just like that's just a thing, you know? Yeah. And so like having to explain that each time means I just it's just especially my personality type.
Speaker 1:Right. It's just not worth the extra effort or energy or whatever to put it out there in the meat space of my life.
Speaker 2:It's true. But you also also, feel like that's that is your personality because you do that with me sometimes, and you'll refer and it's like, I know who this is. Like, I've heard you I've you've told me before, when you say the name Matt, you know, like, I I know who you're talking about. Yeah. And so you don't have to explain it every time, But it's like, because I'm not in that world, you always assume that I have no clue what you're talking about.
Speaker 1:Yeah. And it is walking that divide, think, where it's if I met Matt for play tennis every week or whatever Right. And he came by and picked me up and we went and said, hi.
Speaker 2:And I met me. Yeah. If I had met him face to face. Right? Like then.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Then it would be different. So that's why I don't think it's like, I'm not saying advocating for either or extreme, either extreme. I think there's a healthy balance of both.
Speaker 2:Mhmm.
Speaker 1:But there is, like I said earlier, in our real world interactions with people around us, 97% of them don't have any of that virtual friendship world. Right. So it is like I'm a bit of And an anomaly and so
Speaker 2:And I agree, especially in our generation. Right? Yeah. Like we're about five to ten years ahead of what where people in their early thirties is fairly normal.
Speaker 1:I would say a lot of like even like my younger cousins or whatever. I'm sure they communicate with people who are online, but they don't that's not where they would have met them first.
Speaker 2:Right. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Just thinking of interactions we've had and and like, but again too, what I've noticed is it's either if you're in a bigger city, it tends to happen more if you're, more transient, like you're moving a lot, you know, you're kind of like you have to get used to that. Your family moved a lot. You have to get used to that idea of like communicating digitally as a prime or internet or whatever you want to call it as a primary means. Then if you want to maintain relationships with people. Yeah.
Speaker 1:So I think the for me and people like me, I think it's good to like push or be a little more open and vulnerable or or whatever about the friendships that you and the relationships and the connections that you have that are online with the folks offline. Right. Because there is no like the it doesn't work the same the other on the other side where like on in the online world of like, if I say my wife blah blah blah or my kids, like there's no need to explain any of that or my friend Kevin something something like I'm not explaining, well, it's Kevin who I know because we live next door or gone to church or whatever. Like there's no it's kinda like that's that part is assumed and easy. You don't have to explain why you know them or whatever.
Speaker 1:Right?
Speaker 2:But so why do you feel like you have to explain why you know somebody else?
Speaker 1:I know. And I guess that's where I could just say, like, a friend, my friend Matt, who's into you, like, who's I work on-site with or whatever.
Speaker 2:Maybe it's a little bit like sometimes I say my friend Tish, but we've never had a conversation.
Speaker 1:Listening to someone's podcast does not make
Speaker 2:you the best friend. I've listened to her podcast. I've read her books. I've read her blog. I've
Speaker 1:A stalker.
Speaker 2:I follow her on Twitter. I feel like we have a relationship, but in actuality, she only speaks into my life. However, I still
Speaker 1:She faved my tweets. I actually speak into her life.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Oh, she faved one of my or she yeah. Faved one of my tweets. Anyways, but it it but you're right. I guess there is like, I jokingly say that, right?
Speaker 2:Just because it's like, it's kind of my air quotes friend because she has actually influenced my life a lot, but we're not real, you know.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:She has no clue who I am. So, I can't I do see, I guess there is kind of that you have to clarify, you know.
Speaker 1:It's not like a person I just Like, it'd be like me saying Bono's my friend or something just to listen to everything he's ever recorded or whatever.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Yeah. And that it is like just that you if for some reason in the internet world, there are people that you can almost feel like you have a relationship with, even though you don't actually have a relationship with them.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:And so maybe that's why we feel like we have to clarify if it's an internet friend, that it's someone that you've actually talked with. Like it's a real friend. It's not, know, air quotes friend.
Speaker 1:Stalker friendship. Yeah. Which I don't think that that's what how I feel when I'm talking to our friends, couples or whatever that we interact with. I don't feel like they're they're concerned that I'm thinking this person is my friend, but they're really not. But yeah, it's just like figuring out the connection points and why.
Speaker 1:And coming back to that feeling of like feeling silly, dumb, whatever about that I have this world that I. Yeah, that I interact in or whatever. And so. And like, so what we'll talk about maybe if we do another episode is like you now getting to sort of interact and see this world up close because we're the next couple nights tonight we're heading to a concert with that's a band, a couple of YouTube cover bands, sort of, one band from Scotland that's here that I know some of the people from. I've talked with them on the YouTube podcast.
Speaker 1:And then also be at this concert tonight, a bunch of the YouTube fan sort of communities who I I don't know any of these people like in terms of directly, working alongside them on the YouTube fan site or anything like that. It's just like sort of people I've seen on Twitter talk with that texting that much or whatever, but who may have listened to the YouTube podcast and probably feel like they know me a little more.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:Then I know them and at least around the YouTube world. Mhmm. And so which is like still is is going to be a weird thing for me on its own. Like people talking to me who've heard my voice an hour or more when I've never heard their voice. But then you also meeting and interacting in that world.
Speaker 1:Then on Wednesday, we're going to the YouTube concert itself.
Speaker 2:Tuesday.
Speaker 1:Tuesday. I'm sorry.
Speaker 2:Mhmm.
Speaker 1:We're going to the YouTube concert and which will be just a fun experience regardless of who's there, but there could could potentially be other people who aren't there on Monday nights that we also see or whatever and interact with. So I think went back like you went to the YouTube concerts in Edmonton with me a couple of times, but that was well before any online stuff had happened for me with YouTube. Yeah. In a major way anyway.
Speaker 2:Well, back, the last Montreal concert we went to.
Speaker 1:Right. There was somebody from
Speaker 2:We met up with His pre kids.
Speaker 1:We met, like, Cindy and, I think that's actually where AJ I met there. I didn't know who he was, but he's gonna actually he'll probably be here tonight and tomorrow. He runs you2songs.com. Yeah. But Cindy was like so it was, I guess, Internet people Yes.
Speaker 1:That we met that I kind of knew through you2log.com that I was helping out with. If you're going to be That
Speaker 2:happened. I did meet them. We didn't really hang out with them that much as far as I remember.
Speaker 1:She helped us get into like the inner heart thing. Snuck us in with wristbands or whatever. But
Speaker 2:I remember they were going to afterwards they were were going out, but we didn't go out with them because Yeah.
Speaker 1:Had to go back
Speaker 2:to the Lavelle and Yeah. I'm pretty sure I was pregnant at the time, so I think it must have been 2006 maybe.
Speaker 1:Our transit pass was due to expire at midnight. Couldn't afford $65.
Speaker 2:That De La Valle would have been more than 5.
Speaker 1:Okay. So we're going to talk about how the next episode, the the concert experience either in advance or maybe after, depending on when we record. And, so where can folks find you on the Internet if they want to tweet at you?
Speaker 2:Oh, what?
Speaker 1:Virtual world. Do they disagree with something you said?
Speaker 2:I'm I'm not public on anything except for guess on Twitter. I think I am public. So at Sue Nns, s u e n n s.
Speaker 1:There you go.
Speaker 2:This is my Twitter handle.
Speaker 1:You've had to like speak it out loud. Yeah. Wow. We're both taking brave
Speaker 2:steps today. Otherwise, I'm not really online a lot because my husband puts my whole life online. I just feel like I
Speaker 1:You're really like need
Speaker 2:It's it's not it's private. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah. It's kids Maybe
Speaker 2:I made it public because I was tired of allowing Well, my you know, just yeah. Anyways, whatever.
Speaker 1:So there you go. Thanks for joining me on this episode of Daily(ish) pushing me to do it. You're welcome. To record here in our fancy Airbnb. A blanket on the table for a tablecloth.
Speaker 1:You can, find this episode at goodstuff.fm/dailyish/250two, and you can tweet at me. I'm I Chris on Twitter and I Chris v two on Instagram because I deleted my account and then couldn't get it back. I'm also not allowed on Uber because I've it's something illegal according to Uber by setting up an account.
Speaker 2:So now you have to always have me with you if you want to
Speaker 1:take Yeah. Me We have two phone numbers so we can still set up an Alright. Thanks for listening. Hope you have a great day. Bye.