Alright. Hello and welcome to Daily ish for Tuesday, February 7. It's currently a minus 21 Celsius, which feels like minus 30 Celsius with the wind chill. I don't know what that is in in f's, but it's a effing a lot, I think. Minus 22 f's if you're in the f world.
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Speaker 1:So instead the lucky viewers on the Twitch page, which will also eventually somehow get make its way to our YouTube channel or something. Get some animated GIFs of Dave or a facsimile of Dave, my guess. So Dave Rupert, welcome to the podcast.
Speaker 2:Hi. Dave Rupert here. Austin, Texas. 29 c's down here. I had to do this app to convert it, but 29 c's.
Speaker 1:So, like, almost a 60 degree swing.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Opposite. It's like we're the opposite weather. It's 85 degrees in Austin, Texas. Oh my goodness.
Speaker 1:Which we're we're complete opposite computers too, I guess. That's which that bring that's why you're you're on this podcast. Yes. Justification. I mean
Speaker 2:Not not without its its trials and tribulations. But, yes, we are together. Finally, Skypes and microphones are working. It's good to be here. Thanks, Chris.
Speaker 1:You were actually I need to thank you publicly. I I think I have already actually on Twitter, but the you were my first guest on my other podcast Show Me Your Mic where we talked about podcasting and and, which has since been dormant for a little while. But, thank you for being guest there and and thank you for being my, you're you're I'm sort of doing this thing where I'm bringing on air quotes consultants or or correspondents in different areas. So you're my Windows, formerly Mac user correspondent I guess, if this was
Speaker 2:a TV show. That's great. Yeah.
Speaker 1:It'll be your tunnel. It'll bump everything.
Speaker 2:I can I add that in post?
Speaker 1:Yeah. Exactly. And, you may also hear a four year old screaming because, my daughter is sick and stuffy nosed and and very whiny. So that's also
Speaker 2:Oh, I got I got maybe one of those heading into my office mid interview here.
Speaker 1:Sweet. Awesome. It's a good thing. So the what I was wanting to talk to about is because, you've been over the last year and a bit been making the switch from Mac to Windows. Is that a new thing?
Speaker 1:Like, were you ever a Windows person before or is this like a
Speaker 2:I mean, so back in the day when I was 15 or so, I got my first computer, a gateway pin no. 75 hertz megahertz gateway computer, and it maybe had 500 oh, gosh. I'm gonna say it wrong. It was, like, 500 megs of RAM or memory or something like that. And then I, you know, went through, like, a year of college, and I was 19 or so, and I splurged and got a, like, 133 hertz Pentium gateway computer as well.
Speaker 2:And that had, like, 756 megabytes or something weird. And then so so, yeah, that was sort of my computing for a long time. Learned a lot about computers and websites using PCs. But in about 2002, I bought my first Mac laptop, the MacBook Pro, and it was the kind of it was the aluminum one with the kind of white binding. Does I'm sure everyone's remembering this now.
Speaker 2:A very square very square computer. That served me for quite a few years. I I basically, like, worked this job, and I think I bought it on a credit card and or, like, a a loan from, like, my insurance company or something. And I just paid it back, like, last year. Nice.
Speaker 2:But it's like a very low interest loan. Thank goodness. But Long
Speaker 1:term low interest. That's the key.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Like yeah. And then I think I've so I finally bought that last year. But that computer went with me to foreign lands, took it to Japan, used it religiously. It was just such a great computer.
Speaker 2:This was, I think, OS 10.2. So so 10.1 was just a little rough, right, on OS 10. And so 10.2 started getting better better. Tiger then came out 10.3. Right?
Speaker 2:I'm making these up these animals and numbers up. But
Speaker 1:You're just driving back to zoo right now. Right?
Speaker 2:Yeah. Yeah. Horse to OSX horse. It was so I but then that computer suffered a drop, which is terrible. It just, like, fell out of the trunk of a car in a case and and just, like, crank and, like, broke the hinges off.
Speaker 2:It was bad. It was already, like, in poor performing shape, but then I got, like, another one, like, another MacBook Pro 2,000 geez. Six ish, seven ish. Six. 2006 MacBook Pro, I guess it would have been.
Speaker 2:And then that, I used that for a really long time, but that was the version where the batteries would kind of explode. And I'm not sure if that was, like like, because I was you know, I bought it in Japan, and then I came to America and used, like, different power. And so maybe it was, like, swelling the batteries, but it was that version. And then, you know, a couple more MacBooks. I think the last one I bought was in 2013, the kinda, oh, dare I say, the last good MacBook Pro.
Speaker 2:But, you know, I did try that in a MacBook Air, but I really the the Wi Fi on it was really bad. But I used the Macs until 2015. Where? 2015 or '26. '16.
Speaker 2:No. 2015. Summer of twenty fifteen. Right. And then so kind of with the Shop Talk Show, which you help out doing all the production stuff for it.
Speaker 2:Thank you, Chris. But Right. The ShopTalk Show, we kinda did a stat analysis and noticed that, like, 50% of our listeners were were PC users, so kind of worldwide. And this was sort of a shock to me because every web developer I know uses a Mac. And, you know, our our answers when somebody's like, oh, should should I get sketch or something like that for my website?
Speaker 2:You know, the I I think our, like, general response was like, buy a Mac, you know, like, you know, and and that's okay. But, you know, somebody who lives in, I don't know, India or Indonesia or something like that, That could be a month or two salary, you know, like, quite a bit of money to to buy, like, this big aluminum computer. So it's sort of like was like, oh, this is maybe a bad answer for me. So I kind of, like, talked to some people at Microsoft, Ray Bango, and we've kind of hatched a plan where I would try to switch to Windows for a year, sent out a Surface Pro, not the Surface Book, but the Surface Pro kind of but the flip cover Surface Pro three, and I used that for, like, a full year. And I stuck with Windows.
Speaker 2:I decided to stick with Windows. And since that kind of turn, I think it was in November, December, I built a PC. Like built my first PC, like this is my first PC build, but like first like PC, big desktop PC since 2002 or something like that.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Right. So that was like a quick tour of every single computer you've ever owned. The
Speaker 2:Sorry. Gosh. You sorry.
Speaker 1:We're out of time now actually.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Okay. Well, thanks for having me on.
Speaker 1:I should know better inviting a podcaster on who likes to knows how to talk. Oh. That's that's my fault. Yeah. My bad.
Speaker 1:But I like on daverupert.com, the blog, which I'm a long time reader of. The back in August. No, April. Sorry. Can't read my numbers.
Speaker 1:It's hashtag Dave goes Windows question mark and then the next post that I found anyways is August is Dave is going Windows and you sure you did it right around Windows launch of Windows 10 I think. That's when you sort the surface thing happened and and stuff.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Was kind of on like a beta of Windows 10 like the insider preview, which was was good to go but it's it's they're not gonna migrate, you know, and enterprise people over to it. They they were just kind of letting people use it, which is kind of a cool feature of Windows. I I'm like, I know there are Mac betas and iOS betas, but this was, like, kind of a year long, like, hey. Get on the Windows Insider track, and we'll give you updates, and you can kind of watch us develop it.
Speaker 2:And they're still doing it, and it's good. There's good builds and bad builds, which could kinda surprise you. But, yeah, the it it was kind of like pre Windows 10. I was on Windows 10, and Windows 10 is pretty good. I don't know if you've used it, but
Speaker 1:I've used a little I have an office that I do some support for. Hi, dad. And they yeah. Due to being in the financial industry, have to install Windows, you know, via Parallels a couple times for some some of the folks there and and yeah. Actually, it's surprisingly good and not like, you know, Mac users tend to have the like snobby snoop stick their nose up at it's kind of view of Windows and but actually haven't used it in years.
Speaker 1:And so I think definitely it's worth worth a look if you're not especially if you're stuck in Windows '98 as the last time maybe you used Windows. It has changed a bit.
Speaker 2:Yeah. It actually I'll go on YouTube and I'll watch, you know, YouTube things, gamer things or whatever and I'll see somebody on Windows seven and I'm just like, no. Like it's it's gotten so much better since then and I just don't understand why you'd put yourself through that to be on Windows seven unless you had to had to had to be.
Speaker 1:So skipping up aside some of the like there's obviously a whole discussion about developing and being a web nerd on Windows versus Mac and that was kind of the the original dev or reason motivation for you doing this switch but just more on the personal side and and that's kind of where I the angle I'm curious about because folks can go like you said go listen to shoptalkshow.com and hear a bunch of the sort of dev talk I guess around that, and I'll have links to a couple episodes in the show notes but, just on on the personal side what kind of piqued my interest in this is watching along and obviously listening along on ShopTalk Show but watching along on Twitter and stuff and and then reading some of the blog posts as you're ordering parts and all of a sudden it like rekindled this like thing for me back in the day when I used to do that same thing. Used to work at Computers store for a while and helping people like saying, no, you don't want to buy the HP thing, you want to build your own and we'll help you do it and then you can upgrade it and all that kind of stuff and and then switching to Mac for a while shortly thereafter when it came out kind of around the same time as you because it was was simple and it was kind of nice to be able to just do the thing rather than fiddling with the computer the whole time.
Speaker 1:But as you got sort of started putting the pieces together, did it kind of rekindle or did did you you said you'd never really built your own PC back in the day even? It was, like, rebuilt or did you use a bit of upgrading back in the day?
Speaker 2:Yeah. I did a bit of upgrading, but back then, the sophistication was, you put a sound card in it or you put a new RAM in it, and they only came in, like, silicon wafers, green silicon wafers. You know? Yeah. I mean, when you're talking about building a PC now, it's like, oh, you're gonna put a RAM in it?
Speaker 2:What do you want? DDR three, DDR four, DDR 5,000, you know, DDR four thirty two hundred, DDR four twenty six hundred, DDR four twenty one thirty three. What are you doing, man? What's your mobile? Tell me about your mobile.
Speaker 2:Your mobile, what's its support? It's got m two on it. It's got SATA. Okay.
Speaker 1:Mobile is short with motherboard, I I hope.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Motherboard. And then what kind of cool are you doing? The AIO? Are you doing air cool?
Speaker 2:The way you're doing it. And so it's just there's so much stuff to learn. And and I kinda you I it's almost like you need a mentor or a guide to get through it because there's I mean, you have to watch a bunch of YouTubes, and even then, you'll mess it up. That's what I learned today as I was suffering blue screens of death, and I think I've messed it up. But but, yeah, there's so much stuff that goes on that is for those who, like, haven't, like, aren't or aren't interested in computers, I guess.
Speaker 2:Like, you have the motherboard. That's what, like, all the circuits and stuff that you kind of imagine, like, the inside of a computer being. And then you have these, like, sticks, these RAM sticks, and that's what stores, like, your your your memory, like like, how many apps you can have running at once. I have 32 gigs of RAM in my system right now, and it's pretty fire hot. I actually unplugged one because I was debugging a thing, and it was like, this is still very, very fast.
Speaker 2:But 32 and then I you have something you have a CPU. You choose what CPU you put inside the motherboard, and then you have to cool the CPU. And I I went with, like, a radiator, like, you might have on your car with fans, and then it it water cools. It sends like there's two tubes that go to my CPU, an in and out tube, and that water cools my my CPU.
Speaker 1:Yeah. For anybody who's watching, I'm there's a little video, a looping video on your blog that, again, I'll link Oh, yeah. That the live viewers can see you sort of touring or whatever. Powering it on for the first time, I think is what you
Speaker 2:Powering on and yeah. And then there's a there's a graphics card inside of there, and that's maybe my favorite piece. But this that's the juice. That's like what lets you do sweet games is graphics cards, which, you know, that I I kinda did the research in it. Like, it was barely a thing.
Speaker 2:There's a thing called the Voodoo three or something back in the day, but it was just a but it was it was prohibitively expensive. I mean, it was like the cost of another computer. And but it was like, do all your graphics only in some games. But now most games leverage the GPU to render really quickly. So it it's kind of amazing what, like, you can do.
Speaker 2:And then I have it sitting in a big glass case, like a case with, like, a a glass panel on the side. And then just because I'm a total dork, I, like, bought LEDs and now it lights up. So, like, Christmas lights. So, I went full full dork. So
Speaker 1:Yeah. See, that's the thing. That's what's kinda, like, both terrifying to me at the idea of it because as I was reading and following along it kinda like I said it kinda kindled rekindled some of that old stuff that I used to do and I was at one on the one hand kind of like I dive back in right away and then like I was saying in the previous episode of this podcast that like I have kids who now who are getting to the age where they're using computers and but they don't have any idea what goes on inside and I feel like this would be such an awesome project and this is also how I could maybe justify it to my wife that we should start building a computer again. And then the gaming angle too is like a whole another realm of like fun and and excitement because on the Mac it's it's getting better but it still is it's not as well Overwatch is the thing it's not
Speaker 2:on Mac and so Yeah. That's a
Speaker 1:fun one. But so that's I guess when you're like there's and now like something like pcpartpicker.com I think is the site right? PCPart Mhmm. Yeah. Where it's like for nerds build it like I remember back in the day like stupid spreadsheets of like, k if I put this video card in it's gonna cost this much and all that kind of stuff and trying to main figure that all out myself and now like you can share parts lists of your PC and like you're someone if they wanted to, maybe now it's probably a little bit out of date I guess, but could order exactly what you had or roughly and any on their I just have to geek out a bit on just the the way that they did this programmatically on the site where they have their pre built site systems but they'll like dynamically get you the best price on RAM depending on what and you know who has the best price at the time and what kind of RAM or hard drive like if Seagate has the better hard drive price versus whatever other brands are.
Speaker 1:But did you like like you kind of said you sort of almost need a mentor now going back into this where it's like I don't even I know Core Intel has an I seven chip and I know they have an I five chip but like I don't know which one is which and where because again I'm like I've been sort of dumbed down in the Mac world for so long which isn't a knock against Mac users but because I am one but I used to know all that stuff and now it feels like I'm it's like a whole there's like 10 extra levels of language depth to each part that wasn't there before.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. I mean that I think it was, you know, in mid two thousands where where Apple kind of gave up on the specs game. They kind of and and they sort of, you know, they pitched it to you.
Speaker 2:They're like, don't worry, baby. It's faster, baby. Don't just
Speaker 1:It's gonna be okay.
Speaker 2:It's fine. It's fine, baby. And you're like, oh, okay. Yeah. It's matter.
Speaker 2:Just about you know, is it a good experience? And to some degree, they're right. Like, they fixed they, like, had a was it snow leopard after leopard? It was a whole release jet that was just performance oriented, like, purely performance improvements. And that's I mean, that went miles, you know, for for, like, squeezing the most you can out of what turns out to be lower end hardware.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:You know? And then they keep cost down, but it it just the the the outside, the the glass, the aluminum, that's all very high end, but the internals were was act is actually kind of low end hardware. So it doesn't do, you know, do things like Overwatch and kinda these modern games and stuff like that. The so you kinda had to, like, get back up to speed. And so I leaned heavily on, you know, my friends Yan Wang and Zach Meyer.
Speaker 2:I I just was, like, grilled them for months, man. I can't make a decision very quickly. But I grilled them for months about, like, what what I should do. And I actually took a like, from a YouTube show called Linus Tech Tips. They had this, like, let's build a gaming PC in under you know, for under $1,500 or something, you know
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:For, like, the cost of a MacBook Air or something like that. And they built out the and so I forked that list on PC Part Picker and kinda started building out my machine. And I kinda made some upgrades here and there, but for about $1,600, $1,700 probably, with some upgrades post that or 1,800. I I was able to build, like, one of the fastest machines I could possibly think of. Like, it's just it's a beast, and it's gonna work for a really long time.
Speaker 2:And if I just chuck, like, 400 a year at it, I or so, I could I can keep at the, like, cutting edge of performance for kind of indefinitely. So I'm once I did the math on that and I'm not a super budget conscious guy, but I that was like, oh, wow. This thing is like a ten year thing. I'll have this for ten years. I'll use this computer or and whatever franken parts I add to it for about ten years, which is really, really cool.
Speaker 2:I'm really kind of excited about that because I haven't had that you know, it it's almost I I hate to admit my my own consumerism, but it's been like a you know, it's it's been like two year disposable laptop basically for the like the last ten years. So
Speaker 1:Yeah. Which that's what when I saw your sort of build, and I knew like, you know, as a Mac user, it's not like I was like came into the the Windows side and I was like, what? They've had this for this much like, you know, $1,200 gets you the same spec. Like I knew all that kind of stuff and it's not like the I still think the Mac ecosystem and the computers are great and all that kind of stuff but I especially on the laptop side it feels it's it has felt and we won't go too far down though like paranoid about Apple laptops discussion but like it has felt a bit like, k, you're kind of lagging around and I don't really need touch bars. I just want it like a really super awesome computer but but when I yeah.
Speaker 1:Like reading that, as far as how much it would cost you to build and I like just a year ago, I picked up a 27 inch iMac, that's what I'm recording this on and talking to you through and fairly low
Speaker 2:Which is a good machine. That's a good machine.
Speaker 1:Yeah. But it's it is like when I I think it was like because I loaded up with 16 gigs of RAM and a slightly better video card because I wanted to do video streaming and you know and video editing stuff and podcast editing and wanted to be able to you know, if I screw up a export of a long shop talk show with eight people on it or whatever and all the audio files I wanted to go So I was like done and so it's like $3,500 I think or something Canadian anyways and, but then seeing you know six months later the the what like just like what you said like what you built $1,500 to 2 to $2,000 like there's a lot of, a lot of stuff you can buy for $1,500 Dave. I don't know if you know that but
Speaker 2:Well, Canadian. Yeah. And so not that
Speaker 1:again, it's like I love the Mac system and I like software wise especially, it still would take a lot for me to like leap back into Windows because even watching along and there are stuff I know that you're like sort of like frustrated by not just developer stuff or whatever where the apps just kind of aren't there in the same caliber but yeah, $1,500 does go a long way towards, you know, surviving with a different Twitter client or whatever, I guess, the money.
Speaker 2:For sure. And and that's, you know, I I think it's just I think it's just, you know, you there are pros and cons. Like, your Mac, you're probably not gonna have kernel panics and, like, like, heavy, heavy support problems. And if you do, you your, like, immediate community can probably help you solve them because there's kind of a strong, you know, web tech communities around Macs, you know, if you're having some problem with something. Usually, there's some command line switch you can flip to get it to do the thing you want.
Speaker 2:Yeah. However, you know, with Windows, man, I've had problems with this machine, and I'm trying to be very transparent about it. But it's just daily blue screens of death. Daily. Like, I'll be playing I play Overwatch with some friends, Jan and and Zach, who I mentioned, and the Sky of One.
Speaker 2:And we play, and we and playing, and then all of a sudden, my computer freezes up, drops, goes to a blue screen of death, and it's like, I'm out of the match. And it's a bummer because, you know, I have spent money on this, but but more, you know, kind of like it's it's more like I spent time. It's it's like I built a motorcycle or restored a motorcycle, and it's still kinda broken. You know? And you're just like, why why is it still broken?
Speaker 2:Because I I put the monies into it to fix it or the time, and it's I don't understand why it's broken. And then I'd you know, there's no geek squad. There's no you know, maybe I could do a geek squad, but there's no, like, geek squad or there's no Apple Genius Bar that I can take this thing to to be like, hey. Fix this. I I'm crying.
Speaker 2:I don't know what's wrong. I need it fixed. I I can't be on client calls, and I can't play video games, which is the worst part. So could I please just get this fixed? And there's no one there for that.
Speaker 2:So you have to, like, suss out this information or, like, you know, kind of just just trial and error, which is the worst way to fix something but or the most painful way to fix something.
Speaker 1:Right. Which is why I remember that's why I got I was like, oh the Macs are kind of nice because you don't have to worry about like the memory is stuff that's tested for Mac and so it only just works for the Mac and then you know, that was kind of my motivation along with some of the video editing software at the time and all that kind of stuff that sucked me into the Mac ecosystem, I guess.
Speaker 2:Yeah. I mean
Speaker 1:But yeah, getting like the cold sweats of like having to like turn on the machine waiting for it to boot up and then realizing, oh, memory's in backwards or whatever and yeah.
Speaker 2:Oh, I mean, there for Mac, there there's one brand of RAM. Like, the it's crucial, and it's been that way since forever. You know? And then there's one brand of, like, hard drive, and it's probably a Samsung or something. But there's you know, it's Ironic.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's just been that way forever, and then they kind of they locked down their own processors now. They, you know, they're using, like, the a chips and the m chips and stuff. And so they don't even use, like, Intel anymore.
Speaker 2:Some some do, but, like, like, it's just getting kind of more simple and streamlined and integrated into you know, if your computer falls apart, you don't replace, like, a CPU. You just you have to replace the whole board, you know, and that contains everything, your dedicated graphics and all that. So Yeah. You know, that's so it it's not without its, like, ups and downs. And, you know, I've I've been complaining on Twitter, and people are just like, oh, man.
Speaker 2:You just need to try harder. But then some people are like, that's exactly why I left Windows after, like, ten, twenty years. It just I I couldn't deal with it anymore. And I'm feeling that because it's like like, some days, I'm just like, I'm going I I'm going to Linux. This is a Linux machine now or something.
Speaker 2:I'm just gonna buy a Chromebook. You know? That's where I like, when you're angry and upset, you know, that's where you wanna go. I I could go back to Mac too, but, you know, it's just I don't mean I what's weird is now I'm so kind of on the other side now. I I don't I'm not sure there's much in there that offers me much benefit, you know.
Speaker 2:Right. Because it was very much going to the place where I just needed the the Linux shell or the the Unix shell on Mac. And so, yeah. I don't know. Here I am.
Speaker 1:So And so, like, one of the things you mentioned in in the your post sort of the finale of your post anyways and that was now almost well, not quite a year ago, guess, six months ago or whatever, but was, you know, on detangling yourself from the Apple services, your music and stuff like that. I don't know how much we don't need to go into huge detail about all that. But like, that is one of the things I know now is like I have movies I bought in iTunes. And so I guess there's iTunes for Windows still, think. Right?
Speaker 2:Yeah. There's iTunes for Windows. Yeah. There's, you know, there's also like a Windows Store thing in that. You know, it's weird.
Speaker 2:I I'm all over the place, and I don't think I'm happy either way. Like, there's there's Windows Store stuff, which is nice because it goes to my Xbox. So Yeah. I I know that sounds weird, but it it's kinda cool because I can at work, I don't I've, like, done this, like, zero times. But at work, I could, like, cash in my Bing credits because you get Bing credits if you use Bing and Edge, know.
Speaker 2:Cash in my Bing credits, rent a movie on the the Windows Store. It'll shoot over to my Xbox, like, you know, and and it's available on my Xbox immediately. So or maybe not immediately, but, like, I I could, like, do all the purchasing for, like, a kid's movie I'm gonna rent, like, here before I even go into the house from my shed. And, you know, like, I I have it it like, that end of the ecosystem is cool. But you could also do that on your phone with an Apple TV if that's your setup, you know, with with iOS and and Apple TV OS, whatever they call it, TV OS.
Speaker 1:And That's that is a like the Xbox is a great sort of gateway drug, which that's what we picked up over Christmas here with the kids was the Xbox one. That is kind of like that that's also sort of this you doing goes Windows thing plus getting the Xbox one and like just getting exposed to how Microsoft has done, what do they call it? Their family settings or whatever. Right? Where I can go on, I think my kids are a little bit older than years but like the our oldest is nine and so I can go I set them up with an Xbox live account and it's kind of this painful thing you sort of jump through hoops and setting up an email or whatever and stuff but then once it's set up, I can like programmatically whatever on the settings say, he's only allowed to use the Xbox between these hours or this many hours per week or whatever and then it'll just like prompt them.
Speaker 1:I tested out one time, it just pops up a little thing and saying Xbox time limit is up or whatever and shuts it down. So which is kind of like I mean there's parenting methods aside. There's kind of like a lot of fun in that because it's we can sort of blame the Xbox for running out of time and and but also the
Speaker 2:Oh, I mean, are you kidding me? As a parent, that's solid gold. It's like Yeah. Oh, you like, of of a nine year old too. You're just like, oh, you'd like, some more time on the old Xbox?
Speaker 2:Well, you could, cash in some chore credits and get that or, you know, go clean your room and yeah. You can Minecraft till your eyes bleed. But like
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:But yeah. It's like the what a cool system.
Speaker 1:Compared with how, like at the exact same time we're also setting up this old MacBook Pro laptop with like the parental controls on the Mac. Not old, like it's running current OS but older hardware but, and the parental controls don't save like it repeatedly will not save the parental control. So it's like for my wife and I were like, here's the Microsoft side that just seems to work, which is Apple's old thing of like, it just works. And on the Apple side, we're like, cannot get this thing to like, so that, you know, he's not watching porn on YouTube or whatever. Not Yeah.
Speaker 2:I mean, you gotta be careful. Gotta be careful. My kid my my son's three. He watches like how to make your own lightsaber with duct tape videos on YouTube and it's and it's fine. It's great.
Speaker 2:But that autoplay kicks on, and then all like, in four videos, he's watching just god knows what. I mean, just like triple x, like, weird weird YouTube, basically. And then and you're just like, what happened? Like, you were watching Star Wars, and now you're watching, like, teens cussing and, you know, you're just like, ugh. This isn't what I signed up for.
Speaker 2:I have to, like, babysit you bay being babysat by YouTube. Ugh. This is the word. No. I'm just kidding.
Speaker 2:But, no, I I think, like, I think those, like, how you manage family people, you know, I think that's, a big thing. And I'm actually looking at this setting in Windows. You can give your kids an account with websites and time limits and stuff like that, which is a cool
Speaker 1:feature. Feels like the Microsoft side, they like they get that families are actually families whereas on the Apple side, it always feels like families means cool good looking folks going out surfing and their hipster dad or whatever is along for the ride and like nobody really has kids that mess around with this stuff.
Speaker 2:Oh, well. Yeah. Or like, I mean, not it's not bad, but like their incentive is actually, wouldn't it be cooler if you own two iPads for one for each kid? Yeah. You know?
Speaker 2:Like, they like that a lot more than developing software to you know? And that you know, I'm saying it's not easy to roll that out, so don't I I don't wanna be too mean, but, like, it their their the incentives for them align to, like, just buy another iPad. Make all your kids happy and, you know, like but then how do you lock it down anyway? But Yeah.
Speaker 1:Okay. I'm trying to think I think the the the how do you with going back to your computer finally and then we'll wrap this up. But Sure. The in the in the end, I guess, you sort of alluded to the idea of like you're not sure if you're happier or just happy and so would you is it would you do it all again, I guess, that in that sense? And and any advice for somebody like myself or anyone else listening who's like just wanting to toy around with the idea of going back to their roots as it were in in the Windows world?
Speaker 2:Yeah. So I I think I'm happier. It's not been without its challenges, but I think I'm finally, like, narrowing down what the problems are. Like, I like, I went through a big BIOS reset blah blah blah, like, big, like, configuration change today. And so I'm gonna see if that makes an a difference.
Speaker 2:Like, the only way to test that is to do copious amounts of gaming, which I'm up for the task, Chris. I will just do my best to play Overwatch until my eyes bleed. So
Speaker 1:Yeah. We need to have an Overwatch discussion too.
Speaker 2:Oh, we should I'd be happy to. The and then so if you're getting, like, I I think I'm happy. I think, like, the OS for me, like, it's way more my aesthetic kind of flat design, which is not cool anymore, but, like, flat, you know, kind of simple typography led design and architecture. Iconography like, really, like, kind of I don't know. Just kind of basic iconography.
Speaker 2:I think it's like it's the design language I would choose if I were kind of doing things. And that for me, when I go, like, back to my Mac, I'm like, oh, this is, like, not like me, actually. It's kinda rainbow, really rounded, really shady, like, shading everywhere, gradients. And and I'm just like, this is not me. And but, like, the Windows vibe is, like, very me.
Speaker 2:It it we'll call it flat design because it's kinda what it is. But, that design language, I really like. I like what people are starting to kinda do with it. So, that's that's what I like about it. I think I'm happier here even though I'm daily challenged by my computer falling over.
Speaker 2:So, you know
Speaker 1:Which might be like for any like if you there's, I guess, separating Windows from custom hardware. Right?
Speaker 2:Yeah. Let's like someone bought a
Speaker 1:Off the shelf. Yeah. Whatever the current off the shelf thing is that you buy. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Less Surface or Surface Book Pro or even like a Dell, Razer. All these are good machines. They probably have less problems. So like because they would just not be companies anymore if they're having these problems. So it's like once I separate out, oh, this is actually a problem with my specific machine.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:You know, I I think I am happy if I can get this thing fixed. So, but if you're building your own, if you wanna get into it, you know, I I you know, I not everyone has $1,600 laying around. So the the but, you know, it it's not, like, prohibitive. You know, I think you can if you're a deal hunter and you're really aggressive, you can like go on that that PC part picker, and you could probably build a machine for like $800. I think, you know, I I have friends that have done that and like they come out with a full computer for $800, you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Well, think the guide because I was looking at some of the guides on there just, you know, as you do and yeah, modest gaming build they price at $826. So whatever that means exactly, but even entry level gaming build is $560. So it's not it looks to me like stats wise anyways, it doesn't look amazing but it obviously can play games. You're not gonna be 60 frames per second, you know, on ultra or whatever settings on the game but yeah, even like they're great gaming build is just over a thousand bucks.
Speaker 2:Right. I I think you'll you'd be very close and and just, again, like, just chuck save up some bucks and chuck a bit more at that graphics card, I think you'd get there. So Yeah. Yeah. So there and then if you're thinking about it, find a mentor.
Speaker 2:Do not go alone, and make sure you you kind of, like, you know, ask questions. I'm happy to try to answer whatever. But, again, I I will try to help anyone out as much as possible, but I do have a broken computer.
Speaker 1:Dave may not be the best mentor.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Might wanna find a better guru there. So
Speaker 1:Alright. Well, thanks, Dave. I really appreciate you coming on and and letting me sort of live a little bit nostalgia through you. Where can folks Are you
Speaker 2:gonna do it? Are you Are you gonna do it?
Speaker 1:I have a I'm sitting and looking at a I have an old iMac that I need to sell before I do anything else with computers and, clearing clean up some of the stuff, but I I know I'm being responsible. It's annoying. Where can folks, if they wanna follow you, you're on Twitter at davotron five thousands.
Speaker 2:That's right. Davotron five thousand, davotron.com, and shoptalkshow.com if you build websites.
Speaker 1:There you go. And, thank you folks for listening. This is a little longer episode than usual, but, it was a good trip down memory lane for me. So hopefully you enjoyed it. And, there'll be a video version I think if I hit all the buttons right.
Speaker 1:We're with streaming live video over to Twitch, twitch.tv/goodstuff_fm and then we have a YouTube channel as well, which I'll figure out what it is and and put the video there. And, I'm I Chris on Twitter and thanks for listening. Thanks for watching. Have a great day. Bye.