Hello. Welcome to Daily ish for, Tuesday, January 17. This is episode number 195 closing on the ill two zero zeros. It's currently zero degrees. Feels like one or two I think outside.
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Speaker 1:That's why you're the correspondent. I'm just the dummy who asked the questions. You tell me. Well, actually, it's 3.0 now and we're working on HTML five.
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Speaker 1:right here.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Thanks for having me back on the show.
Speaker 1:Yeah. You want so with, the main reason, the YouTube side of the art discussion is what, Chris, the once eventually, I have like little, Daily Show name Okay. Plates or whatever at the bottom so I can insult you with some sort of correspondent title that pokes fun at something. But anyways, YouTube
Speaker 2:Like like Chris from Canada, like that.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Exactly. You're a, fellow YouTube fan. We, you when did you fall in love with YouTube? When when was
Speaker 2:Probably the realm. I was a little too late for Joshua Tree, but realm and then, you know, played the violator of Joshua Tree and then went down, you know, the other albums since then. And then Real and Humm was out for a while, and so that meant, you know, I think for a year or two. Then when Octave Baby came out, I just immediately bought that. I went to what's called a record store at a mall, and I bought a very expensive CD.
Speaker 2:A CD, for those who aren't listening, is like a CD ROM. And I just so and it's but it plays music and, like, a comic disc player. And so if anyone knows what that looks like. But yeah. And and I just fell in love with with that CD because it was I was a teenager.
Speaker 2:It just hit me, you know, all the moody Yeah. Stuff, like, really hits a teenager pretty well. So, but, yeah, so that was that was great great, and I was been been hooked ever since. So how about you?
Speaker 1:So, well, I was yeah. Similar time period too of Joshua Tree friends being in a Joshua Rattlingham Joshua Tree era, and then Octom Baby was kind of like where I heard a bit about it and was like, again, listening to it some more, but still wasn't my band until I saw the zoo TV tour video. I didn't actually see the zoo TV tour, And then from then on was buying everything as it came out or waited for them to just drop it into my m p three folder as they do now. I suspect that's what's gonna happen from now on. So
Speaker 2:Yeah. I was so bummed because I was actually hours away from Lakeland, Florida on February 29 when they started the TV tour. Right. But I'd never had been to a concert before then, and I didn't know when I was going and or how to go to get ticket, like, whatever that meant, you know. So Yeah.
Speaker 2:It wasn't till, like, you know, just so naive. It wasn't till later died. I realized, like, oh, man. I just missed that. That was a nice
Speaker 1:opening. Yeah. That would've been
Speaker 2:Yeah. That was that was yeah. It's pretty pretty pretty great. It's pretty good concert.
Speaker 1:So but by way of going back to that now, you two, if you're not aware and you haven't listened to any of my podcast or followed me on Twitter, they have just announced they're going back to mind that period of before rattle and the Joshua Tree era. Thirty years ago this year is when that came out and they are putting on a tour called the Joshua Tree Tour twenty seventeen and made reference to the fact that they'll play every song from that album in some form and will be touring for a very limited, run-in North America and in Europe much to the frustration of friends, YouTube fans down in South America and Australia and New Zealand and anywhere else in the world basically. And so Bono has of course done his usual job of hinting at things that might happen and teasing things that probably won't happen.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:Stringing people. But, anyways, so
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah. But it's like, I'm I'm like, you probably know more about me, but but I will say, like, it's he came out to manage expectations a lot because it's been rumored because we're in the middle of waiting for the, quote, double album, if you will, sort of double album of songs of innocence, and then we're waiting for the album of songs of inner experience to drop. Yeah. And they actually pushed back Songs of Experience album, which was supposed to happen rumored always, always rumors, like, oh, end of two thousand sixteen. And then then it's like, oh, wait till next year.
Speaker 2:And then now it's, it's gonna happen, like, maybe late two thousand seventeen, if not 2018.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Like, depending on How they say it's pushed back as if it was done, but they're just Right. Yeah. Which sounds like someone who's late for their homework and they're like, it's finished. It's finished.
Speaker 1:It's just it's I wanna polish it and make it a little better, so can I have an extension?
Speaker 2:Right. It's like, hey, I'm not sure if the kids will like this new stuff, but I know they dig the 30 year old stuff. Let me just freak out that one and we'll tour that one because we have tour dates that we are agreed to play. So let's just do that, you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah. It's interesting. And it's it's like the who knows how much of all that is going on. There's all the politics of well, there's politics, but then there's also the business of of running a band and a management company like Live Nation, the touring company and
Speaker 2:I found out that it's like Community. Right? Yeah. Sorry. Yeah.
Speaker 1:And so you because the Live Nation itself itself, the company that puts on the tours is based in Canada. That's why the tour is happening starting in Canada because then, tax wise they get to
Speaker 2:How's that?
Speaker 1:Somehow base it in Canadian taxes instead of The US or something like that. So it starts in Vancouver, which is where I'm gonna see them, and then yeah, it goes down through North America then over to Europe to close out and they're only actually doing one show in Ireland, like one show in Dublin, no second show. There's all sorts of reasons there. There's Croke Park is the big stadium that they would play in and apparently, it can only handle x number of acts per year and there's already been a couple, Ed Sheeran, and someone else might be taking the other slots. So they
Speaker 2:Yeah. Yeah. But, like, it's yeah. All like, all the Irish people just see it together and start, like, voting to, like, know, change laws and pass that. You know?
Speaker 2:Yeah. Yeah. You saw that with Slane with, all you like, all you can't leave behind the the asset for extra day or that should be played there. They they they got the, you know, the pass to play at Sling Castle. So it's you know, it it could it could be totally doable.
Speaker 2:And and then and ending or having and, like, give enough time for people to get a nice get a nice self fervor, if you will. I think Irish you know, just, you know, it's YouTube is their main export. Right? Like, there's nothing else that our people go to Ireland for. Just joking.
Speaker 2:Just joking. But but yeah. But, I mean, they're the biggest band in the world and their home country is Ireland. Like, I expected they'll they'll have a one at least one extra date.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Well, I mean, the idea too is they they would wanna save whatever dates or enthusiasm maybe for when they do tour around songs of experience, hopefully later this year or whatever, but we'll see. It's interesting because I was doing some research for our on our on the at YouTube podcast, we're doing an album by album series and the next album we're doing is No Lie on the Horizon and reading back through the archives of like the stuff that it's gonna come out and it's gonna be this and then like a month later it's like, no no no, it's actually gonna be this and then and like the months of delayed and changes expectations and all that kind of stuff and it's like, oh yeah, that's YouTube, that's who we're dealing with here. Yeah. Especially Bono is like prone to hyperbole and What?
Speaker 1:Saying things like edge is on fire and he's metal and he's crazy and nothing you've ever seen before.
Speaker 2:The cliche is that every new album that's not that's rumored to drop next is a rock and roll album. Yeah. It's like, let's go be rock and roll. And then, like, all you can leave behind drops. I'm like, okay.
Speaker 2:Well, sure. Alright.
Speaker 1:We just actually did How to Dismantle Atomic Bomb, which actually is a pretty rock record. And, so if you're listening to this by way of some sort of YouTube connection, good stuff .fm/atu2 is where you can find that podcast and it's all YouTube, which this app this podcast this episode is, but, not all the time.
Speaker 2:So Collect every episode. Sort of a a musical journey, really.
Speaker 1:So what do you think the the are you gonna see the show, the Joshua Tree
Speaker 2:No. This morning, I I punched in for my my venue that I would go to, and, you know, I just couldn't see myself punching in it because it's a three hour drive one way to see the venue, and then I have to drive back. That night, I just like, no. Do I wanna drive to see a Joshua Tree concert and have, you know, people tell me how bad America is. And, you know, after I just went through two years of presidential election, I'm like, I I'm kinda stunned.
Speaker 2:You know? So if if you know? And, also, I might change my mind if, you know, I'm a I'm a graphic designer or visual designer, and so I I'm a visual visual learner. And if if the what they do on stage is you know, they're pretty much keep a lot of things secret, you know, before you know, you don't know what's gonna happen until they actually do their first concert. So if it's actually just a visual masterpiece like, the songs of experience tour was, I'll probably just go see see that.
Speaker 1:Yeah. The end is an experience tour.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So I know because
Speaker 1:the the seating chart seating chart or whatever on, you know, ticket venues is or Ticketmaster is looks like there's a kind of a mini Joshua Tree thing that stage like a b stage that comes out into the crowd. But other than that, it looks fairly bare and obviously there's no claw or anything massive that's gonna take up the Right. So it'll
Speaker 2:be I was like, where's the claw, man? Yeah. And, yeah. So they're not really I mean, like, one thing I love about the claw was, like, one one, was, like, visually arresting, but also it just made great business sense because they could sell every seat in the house, like, wherever they went. And so, like, it became, like, one the most profitable tours ever because they could sell every seat.
Speaker 2:You know, they couldn't just like, usually because they block off you know, if you have just a wall TVs or a backdrop, there's some seats on one end of an arena to be blocked off. But with the claw, it's all for three sixty degree tours, like, it was, you know, you sell your seats. But it looks like they're back to blocking off seats at one one one end. So Yeah. But yeah.
Speaker 2:I don't know. So it it looks like a like a normal, like, almost like, I guess, like, Pop Mart type tour, like, approach. We just have a big wall. Even the like, All You Can Leave Behind was a little bit more you know, they had a heart shape kind of b stage type of thing going on. I thought that was pretty pretty cool.
Speaker 1:Yeah. It like an internal thing you can get into and and sitting on the vertigo tour where they had a circle or whenever going out. The yeah. So you're actually not I guess you can you can always find tickets later if if you really wanted to go. Hopefully, maybe.
Speaker 2:Yeah. It's a pretty limited
Speaker 1:run though.
Speaker 2:But Yeah. It's a pretty limited run, but, I I look forward to buying a Blu ray when it comes out for Christmas so I could, help my Irish band.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Because you saw them on Christmas
Speaker 2:experience. Right? Did you see that? No. No.
Speaker 2:I didn't. I did buy the Blu ray for that one.
Speaker 1:I don't know what's your your YouTube fan card. I don't know.
Speaker 2:I don't know, man. I keep on buying music though. I don't know what's going on. You know, the b size and all that.
Speaker 1:I guess either way Larry's happy because you're buying you're giving some money to the machine. Yeah. Did a you t shirt?
Speaker 2:To Songs Experience? No. I didn't buy a t shirt. I bought vinyl. I was like crazy.
Speaker 2:Oh. There you go. Yeah. I bought I bought the record store day vinyl. I think that gives me enough cred.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Right there. So I bought the, cool I I got I thought that was kinda cool. Like, because remember the cover when they dropped the album was like this kinda, like, like, scribble on a white sheet of a record and they, you know, they they dropped it when the Apple when they dropped it with Apple and so they actually released kinda album cover with that on it. I thought that was kinda cool, like, kind of like deconstructing what an album cover should be Yeah.
Speaker 2:Stuff like that. So anyway, I think it's really boring.
Speaker 1:But anyway, so this tour, you you it doesn't excite you to go even as a moderate and even coming from somebody who started U2 with U2 sort of right around this period.
Speaker 2:Well, I enjoyed Round the Right. A lot more because I think it's because of the live component of it. And and I like the recordings that I just, you know, I just I just I don't I love the new stuff. I love more into the passengers, Unforgivable Fire, more into Zoropa, that kind weird stuff, I guess, is more Yeah. More so than so their mainstream stuff is not like I know I'm, like, 1% of the population.
Speaker 2:Like, all the fans, loves that. But that's, like, the stuff I like. And so just seeing them play Joshua Tree, I will say they are they they did promise they would play the Joshua Tree album. And so that means I'm gonna ask you this if you ever heard this, but but when I heard that, was like, did go play Exit? Because they've sworn off playing Exit, which is a great song off the album.
Speaker 2:It's like, I think it's the second to last song before Moses disappeared. And so Yeah. But they had a big court case where someone, you know, like, sued, you know, like, someone sued YouTube or or they didn't sue YouTube, but they were brought in. In fact, that someone committed murder because of exit had had to exit on loop on his Yeah. Walkman at the time, set player.
Speaker 2:And so he kept on hearing it over and over again. And so it a song that was and so, Boss, it's a very powerful song. I don't really wanna play it anymore live. And so it's a very little play since that, you know, with that court case. So I'd be interested if he actually plays it.
Speaker 2:And if he he does play it, that will because it's it's one of the best songs off of album, movie, and it's just, you know, it's it's just so powerful. It is powerful song, and I would love to hear it live. So I'm so they start playing that. I might might see it. But
Speaker 1:Well, I think they will. Like, I really do think they'll they'll play the the entire album. They basically said as much. And I mean, they I guess they reserve the right obviously to not. But when you're marketing it as the Joshua Tree tour, it's almost like you kinda have to follow through on that.
Speaker 2:Yeah. But just like Exit isn't like a wasn't even a single, wasn't even on that b side, so they can't really like they can just say, well, we played all the singles. So, you know Oh, right.
Speaker 1:Yeah. I guess. The other thing that's sort of been interesting fan debating is like whether they would actually start with, Streets. Like, if they do a track by track by on the according to the album, which would start with where the streets have no name which is now in YouTube concerts if you haven't ever been is kind of like the almost the zenith or whatever of excitement is in the show anyways sort of like the third act or whatever somewhere in there or the end of the second act sometimes. And so to start the show feels really weird actually for at least long time YouTube concert fan goers and so it's interesting it'll be interesting to see they just actually tweeted out this today the YouTube account did just the that intro of where the streets have no name which you know could be could go back to being the intro song or whatever which would be kind of a fun one to just open up with and it has a big huge you know minute long anthem kind of intro, and so it could definitely work but, yeah.
Speaker 1:So you're the you you'd mentioned just without getting political, just the idea of like obviously with what you two did at the what was it Dreamforce concert, a bit of an anti Trump anti or not anti America but like, hey America, get your cop together kind of thing. Mhmm. That I that sort of a bit of like knocking on America as a on the political side isn't as interesting, which they've kind of alluded to the reason why, you know, besides not finishing their homework maybe. They're the reason they're going back to this too is because it kind of feels like thirty years later now America's back in turmoil or whatever, just like it was thirty years ago is kind of a Right. What they're alluding to and why it's attractive to go bring the Joshua Tree back over on tour or something, but
Speaker 2:Welcome to America. We're on turmoil. Woo hoo. But yeah. Why don't you come over here to America, make some cash, tell us how stupid we are, and then go back home.
Speaker 2:You know? That's very good. No. But, you know, I just I felt like it's kinda like like I said earlier, was just, you know, we just we just lived through two years of election nonsense where the press got the election wrong a month leading up to the election day. We all got this fallout.
Speaker 2:What's going on with the with our country? And, and so I was just like, we need to hear Joshua Tree because of Trump. I'm like and, like so I was like, I really, you know, I really just listened to the new stuff. So is the new is this is new album any good? Because if it's if it's good, we could just we could just go listen to that.
Speaker 2:You know? And we don't have to listen. I already got the Joshua Tree. I'm down. And but yeah.
Speaker 2:So just so my thing is, like, hey. I don't want it done, or is it if it is done, you know, is it even good? You know? That's like, you know, like, why would you hold something good if it's not but but but Joshua Tree, like we said before, it's probably it's it's gold. You know, just wanna mine mine that for all it's worth.
Speaker 2:And so but that and also, I just feel like, you know, the other thing is, like, you know, I don't wanna get too political here, but
Speaker 1:This is not a political podcast.
Speaker 2:This is not like a podcast. It's like like, how do you how do you feel like if I r r e m went to Ireland and had a a an Irish jig about the unification of our Northern Ireland and the Ireland Republic, you know? I just, you know, I just, that's kinda weird. I don't know. But, I would love to see that, but, I don't know if
Speaker 1:Michael Sykes I guess in like, as the token Canadian in this conversation, the, you know, America has no problem as a country doing that elsewhere, whether they're politically invited or not. And so I guess an art artistic ban to say and I think I get the impression anyways, we'll see. I think the Dreamforce thing was a bit of like was intentionally over the top because it was before the election and like, hey, whereas I feel like they're gonna they definitely said, like, Joshua Tree was about rising above all that, and so I don't think there'll be petty cheap shot stuff necessarily, whether you
Speaker 2:think
Speaker 1:the Dreamforce one is cheap shot or not. But, I mean, it was definitely, like, full on.
Speaker 2:I I enjoyed it. I actually enjoyed it because it was probably the best production value and production performance, if that's the true term. You want me to use that term? I've seen YouTube do because they've had, like, video recordings of people like of people singing songs, like the from NASA prerecorded, filmed in, and they would come along
Speaker 1:Lou Reed.
Speaker 2:The song. But that was actually Bono, like, interacting with multiple video stills from Donald Trump and going back and forth, and it looked beautiful. It was really great video production on art quality. They've always had a really good touchstone with the video art artists that they've used. These have been great visuals.
Speaker 2:I thought it was just a fantastic visual performance and a great great thing. And so, you know, and to me, I would totally use that again if I was YouTube because they paid a lot of money for it. So so I would like I I do not begrudge them saying, like, you know, we paid a lot of money. Saying, you know, why don't we just like flush it out a bit more and do a whole blah blah blah.
Speaker 1:Exactly. Alright. Well, I think, this has gone way longer than normal Daily(ish) has, which is fair and fine. It's my show. I can do what I want.
Speaker 2:Or any other smartphones with them because they weren't invented, until the nineteen nineties. Also, you can bring CDs, of the Joshua Tree album to be signed. You can't bring any, like you know? So that's pretty cool. But only CDs, and you can't bring you can't you get CDs from Amazon dot com because, again, that wasn't built
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:Around that time. So you can only get CDs from a tower music store or a Virgin Mega store. Good luck with that. And good luck with that because the only Virgin Megastore is still around, but they're in Egypt, Jordan, Kuwait, Qatar, and and
Speaker 1:So do we have to also wear, like, black sweatpants and Mhmm. Vest jackets with no shirt underneath?
Speaker 2:Yeah. And Is that what mean, they'll also allow you hyper color t shirts if wanna do that. Yeah. Like, that's great. Right?
Speaker 2:So, but it should be pretty good. It should be pretty nice.
Speaker 1:Yeah. I'm definitely looking for like, the concert I'm looking forward to for sure just because it's a good it'll be a good experience one way or another, I know. But definitely the video that comes out afterwards where you actually get to just sort of like really take in the show without some drunk guy breathing down your neck. Yeah. Unless I invite him over to watch it, I guess.
Speaker 2:Oh, well, this this is my tip. If you are tall enough Well, yeah. You're tall. It's my tall. I I when I go to concert, pre two concerts or any concerts, I go to the the audio mix station where that where the production console and just stay there and because part of it and I'm a production guy too, so I just enjoy watching them produce produce a show.
Speaker 2:And, usually, you know, you get a good view of of how they put the show together, you know, and what's going on. And and usually, no one really cares to be that part back Yeah. On on the ground on the General Mission four, so that's where I enjoy watching it. And sometimes there's VIPs who go there too, so you never know if you can watch see someone famous. Because that's where I I met Paul McGinnis.
Speaker 2:It was like was out there watching the show as it get started, and I had him sign my my YouTube ticket Nice. Right there. So he like, get down.
Speaker 1:Don't influence. He's the terrible Scottish He
Speaker 2:was actually upset with me because I wanted him to sign my ticket. Because, like, I'm not a member of the band. Like, I know because but you're one fifth of the member and you're a very rich man. So I
Speaker 1:You're a very
Speaker 2:rich man. You're very rich man, sir. And you know how to produce and manage a band. Pretty good.
Speaker 1:Yeah. He's pretty famous anyway. He's infamous.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Alright. So you're at Teleject on Twitter. I'm I Chris on Twitter and, this has been, Daily(ish) on, goodstuff.fm. Thank you for watching if you did and listening. We tried streaming it on Twitch.
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