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Speaker 2:It's 55 degrees Fahrenheit and 13 degrees Celsius. But I don't think this is a weather podcast. Right. Is it?
Speaker 1:It's not. Okay. Because otherwise I would just be yelling at you for an hour. Weather. Hey.
Speaker 1:Hey, man. How's going? WorldWorks. It's good. How are you doing?
Speaker 1:Doing
Speaker 2:alright. Doing great.
Speaker 1:So the you actually pitched me on coming on to my show after you invited me on to your show. Yeah. And with the premise being that we were both happening to see Rogue One last night opening.
Speaker 2:Right. This is which is odd because every time I talk to you about a new movie, you say you haven't seen it.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:And that's like months after it's been in the movie theater. Right. Like like, you've had plenty of opportunity to go see it. No. No.
Speaker 2:Not plenty Oh, not plenty of opportunity. Sorry.
Speaker 1:This was an opportunity that I had plenty of, and so I took it. So Okay. But yeah, normally kids get in the way of, just adding to the cost of of going to a movie for us. Yeah. Babysitters, etcetera.
Speaker 1:This time however, my dad who is a financial advisor, he also happens anyways, financial advisor guy and the company he does stuff with put it on an event for all their advisors saying, hey, come watch Star Wars Rogue One. And so he sent my myself and my brother-in-law, who happens to be a big Star Wars nerd as well, an invite. My dad has never seen anything Star Wars. Didn't forgot he completely forgot he was even going to this thing last night until the day of, and was, I know, happy to go along. But Right.
Speaker 1:So I'll maybe have to have him on sometime to get his review.
Speaker 2:Okay. Alright.
Speaker 1:So But it was like the full VIP experience that they gave us. So like the cushy seats and the the beers and the popcorns and the seats and all
Speaker 2:that stuff. Nice. So Yeah. Yeah. It's a big deal, like, because we, as an event planner, like, we sorry.
Speaker 2:We do events, and so we there's a movie theater chain that started in Austin, Texas and it's grown to many cities called the Alamo Drafthouse. Right. And there's there's one in San Francisco. There's one in New York City now. And so it's just a really great thing where they have, like, stadium seating and they have servers come to you and deliver food throughout the night and they have a menu, they have a custom menu, especially for Star Wars.
Speaker 2:Yeah. I'm go get it. One second.
Speaker 1:Chris is now exiting. Camera left.
Speaker 2:I actually snagged
Speaker 1:Oh, nice.
Speaker 2:This is a special menu for those people on Patreon can see it. Special menu for I have the plans upside down. Right. This is this is actually a circle menu with the death star on one side and then the
Speaker 1:Did you have what they did at this theater is they had guys the the bartenders, two bartenders had like one had a Kylo Ren outfit, which isn't really accurate given that it's Rogue One, obviously. But another person had Woah. Jeez. Stormtrooper. But they lasted about ten minutes with the helmets on and they were just like sweating.
Speaker 1:Oh, and couldn't yeah.
Speaker 2:Oh, no way, man. Yeah. That's terrible, guys. Yeah. So so not only do they have Alma has a special menu, which is just just this just had the food options, but they had the drink options like blue milk for adults who had adult liquid that you wanna put on there, like adult beverages.
Speaker 2:Yeah. And then one for the kids. So it was just like which I tried because I'm not a big drinker. And and and so that was just pure sugar going down. I was like, holy cow.
Speaker 2:But and then they also had what what steel drum playing, like, because of the beach scene in Rogue One. They had, like, beach Oh. Steel drum players doing the Star Wars themes.
Speaker 1:Nice.
Speaker 2:And with with with that in in the lobby. And they got the five five zero one first the five zero first, I guess. The the people who dress up in Star Wars costumes. They were there for the for the beginning, and it was pretty pretty awesome. It wasn't as grand as the return of Star Wars movies last year, but it was still just still pretty fun.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Fun to do. So but yeah. So I snagged the Star Star That's plans. So but the menu there.
Speaker 2:But You were on But yeah. So yeah. But but again, back to a point, it's like so we've done events at the Alamo Drafthouse because we just love it so much. And and and talking to them and getting to know their event planner better, It is a big cottage and it is like a big business for them for all December to rent venues for businesses
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:Like, you know, like your dad's part of. So it's just because there's like they'll hire a movie theater and for businesses that may want to just put on Elf, you know, for the family or whatever. Yeah. And or some like Christmas vacation movie or something like that.
Speaker 1:So this is maybe turning into a review of movie theater business, but what how that's what I was talking about with my dad because we're, you know, figuring out numbers and stuff. And like, do you think they pay they must pay more per seat than they would if they were just selling it normally, or is it cheaper because they're sort of guaranteeing air quotes, you know, we're gonna fill the theater with 90% capacity, buying this many drink tickets, you know, all that kind of stuff? Do you think
Speaker 2:Well, I don't know. Did you does your theater have servers come up to you or no?
Speaker 1:In the we were in there's three VIP places and I guess two of them are more VIP because we were in the one that what didn't have servers coming right to the seats, but the other two do. Okay. So
Speaker 2:Yeah. So it depends on, you know, like, theater experience, but, you know, there it's still not cheap to rent out a venue. But then but really where I see just having worked with hotels a lot too is that they make their money pretty hardcore on the food. Right. And so they'll give you a place they probably cut you some slack on seats, cost per seat, but you have to secure a food minimum.
Speaker 2:Like Like, per person will order, like, this much, you know
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Dollar sign of of not. And so, you know and I used to work for a co working space, one of biggest in in Austin, Texas. And every once in a while, they would rent out a movie theater and say, sign up. And they had more people than could fit in the theater, but but they said, like, the minimum was, like, $10. And so that's kind of Yeah.
Speaker 2:For food. And so and, like and the food prices are, I think, kind of a little bit kind of pricey because it was, like it's, like, unlimited refills, but for soda, but was, like, $4 for 50 for soda. And I'm like
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Like, I might as just bring a two liter, you know, in my raincoat or something like that in my purse. They say, oh, I just want that. So but but yeah. But it's still, like you know, so it's pretty easy. So I'm sorry to say it's pretty easy to get the the $10 per per person charge sometimes.
Speaker 2:Yeah. But but then and then also, you know, like, servers work well for tips and all that stuff too. So Yeah. So if if they'd be like and so if you have a movie theater that's, 200 people, you know, that's, like, 200 times 10. So that's pretty not cheap if you your event organizer are, like, on the hook for that, you know, unless you're unless you're big company with lots of employees and able and then during a lots of interview, it's it's a pretty easy thing to do in terms of, like, a morale booster and the year kind of booster thing.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So to do, and everyone gets gets together but without talking for two hours. Like, so it's like, you know, good movies, like, probably the date move thing you could do if you wanna learn, you know, you're you're, like, you know, get to know the other person. You don't you talk to each other for two hours. So so in terms of Rob Booster, like, we're good we're together, you know, even though I see it, you have meetings all the time, but I don't wanna talk to you. But
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:But I will sit here through this. So it's probably easier, you know, Christmas parties to attend to.
Speaker 1:So the, for folks who are long time listeners of Daily(ish) episode will be a little longer than the usual ten minute.
Speaker 2:Sorry about that.
Speaker 1:Just so you're aware.
Speaker 2:My stories are pointless and tangent.
Speaker 1:Not just because I have a guest on, but because especially because it's Christopher who likes to talk, which is good. That's why I have him on podcast. It's good to have people who like to talk and share stories.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Okay. So the the the original premise of this conversation was a Rogue One review or Rouge One as they say in France. The I'm not sure how to approach I've done different sort of recaps, reviews of of movies and TV series. And probably for the sake of this podcast, we wouldn't go line by line of the show or of the movie. But I guess going into it beforehand set the stage for me as far as what your, level of anticipation.
Speaker 1:You kinda alluded to how, you know, that even theater wasn't quite as done up as, you know, when episode eight came out obviously or episode seven came out. Pardon me. Don't don't send me emails, Star Wars. But like, what was your level of like a new hope for this?
Speaker 2:Oh, my new hope. My hope. I thought it'd be as as as grand as an episodic movie in the Star Wars, but but I think people just weren't as excited. But because also the last movie was the return of Star Wars, if you will, for people in in pop culture. And and so and I felt like maybe people just feel like Rogue One wasn't something they needed to see or, you know, there's, you know, maybe the maybe maybe the elections kinda, like, depressed everyone.
Speaker 2:But but it wasn't well, yeah, it wasn't as as as or maybe there was some it was hard for people to figure out where Rogue One fits because we're actually going back, like, fifty years, probably, you know, forty years into the Star Wars universe, if you will. And so it's it would probably be harder for, I guess, the non Star Wars fan to get into it, but it was still but it's still, like, the I I read this morning that the the tracking for financials is it's gonna be one of the bigger movie openings for the year, which is either sad for the movie industry in general or good for, you know, the Star Wars, you know, movie to continue. But as I went and personally went into it, I was really looking for something a little bit more grittier in Power Strikes Back ish, you know, type of type of movie that really explore things. And and by exploring, I mean, like, new things rather than kind of introducing minor character like, introducing new characters that we all have to deal with the next two, like, episodic like, episode eight and nine while also trying to do fan service, like, by bringing and introducing the old characters and, you know, because episode seven I wasn't really a big fan of episode seven because I felt like the last scene, not spoilers, but I felt like, oh, this is a star like, this has the emotional weight that the Star Wars movies usually have.
Speaker 2:And so so I was looking forward to, like, seeing new things in in this in Rogue One that would carry some emotional weight, see new things, explore the universe more without being tied down to the past. But still, in some way, we're still tied down to past because of the mission is to steal the Death Star plans.
Speaker 1:So
Speaker 2:Yeah. And so that's, you know so that's so my hope is kind of high that we'd see a good movie. I did read the reviews going in, and they were really, like they either loved it or hated it, you know, pretty much. So it was and one review was like I was like, the headline was so bad. It was like, Star Wars gives a lot more or a lot less.
Speaker 2:Like, I it was like literally like more or less. So like, I don't really know which way you're playing with that. Yeah. But you're you're probably gonna keep your job from the the other day because you did absolutely, You took no stance whatsoever.
Speaker 1:And I I think for me going in, it was like, I we talked on Slack before and I said how I I wasn't gonna watch any I watched the trailers for sure, but
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:Hadn't read any reviews or previews or, you know, even a lot like, I just I knew where it fit obviously in the storyline, but I tried to avoid just reading stuff about it because I knew, like just like you said, one way or another it was gonna raise or lower my expectations and I kinda tried to go in fairly low expectations just because I it's not supposed to be like it's not one of the big episodes in the storyline, so it's supposed to be sort of like a a filler in a sense in terms of, just going a little deeper dive on on a smaller story as part of the bigger picture. And so, I was yeah. It it was yeah. Going into it with that expectation I guess and trying to like remember stuff because I hadn't not a lot of folks probably went back to watch episode three again just to remember what happened there. I'm guessing and I wasn't I didn't either because it like you said, the last movie for me too was episode seven, and so you're kinda like mentally doing a few sort of juggling a bunch of different ideas and hopes in terms of like what you're gonna seek, but knowing that nothing really that we're gonna see is of any influence really for what's gonna happen and what I've already seen has happened.
Speaker 1:So Right.
Speaker 2:That's Yeah. Yeah. So one the things I thought would be awesome to to do for a movie theater, I'm not sure if Disney would let people do it because, you know, Disney owns the rights now, is do a bundle, like, do a two movie deal, like, where you could buy tickets to see Rogue One and then show New Hope right after it. Right. In that way, you you got to see, like, the whole entire, like, you know, mega movie type experience and you get to see that.
Speaker 2:But so far, haven't seen that.
Speaker 1:I would wonder if they'll do that maybe, you know, in a month or two or something like I said. Yeah. Come back again and watch it again and then whatever. Because say, first of all, we're not first off, but we're now ten whatever minutes in, but we're gonna have spoilers. We're talking about the movie as if you've seen it or you're not okay with spoilers.
Speaker 1:So if you don't want spoilers, stop here and come back I guess later and continue listening, set a bookmark or whatever, And we'll just spoil anything and everything in our path as we go through this. Assuming you've seen all the Star Wars movies and you've you're you're you've watched Rogue One. Because yeah. Like you said, they basically end the movie Rogue One right into episode four, which it did for me was like, that was a bit of what you're talking about where it's like fun Star Wars stuff. You can kind of see it happening.
Speaker 1:You're like, okay. Because it it's kind of like the movie ends, but then there's a little bit more at the end. Not like the Marvel stuff where it's like after the credits, but like literally, you know, you're still watching and you're like, are they gonna show? Oh, they're show that. Okay.
Speaker 1:Are they gonna show that? Oh, they show that and then yeah. And and then how are they gonna show Leia and how, you know, how is that all gonna work? But, yeah. It was there was a bit of that like I like you, I would have loved to have done then just been like, okay, bathroom break and then come back and watch episode four.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. I've done marathons of Marvel movies before, like, phase one, like Right. Love to Avengers.
Speaker 2:And so that was like almost a whole day experience of of seeing that. But it was it was it was I think it'd be pretty fun to do. I think I think you're right, probably within a month or two, if not this summer or like next summer or whatever, you know, they'll they'll be doing that because it's it's it's a slam dunk where they get Star Wars nerds into the into the future. So that's it. But yeah.
Speaker 2:But other than that but what I love about YouTube one things I love about YouTube is that trailers are free for, like, commercial use. Like so it's a public domain type of thing because it's an because it's an ad. And so you could use a trailer for anything you want without any takedown from, you know, copyright laws or whatever from YouTube. And so what people do is actually the trailers, like, there's multiple trailers as they get hyped up and like a supercut of the trailer. So that kind of spoils me a little bit.
Speaker 2:So we can go find that super cut for Rogue One. It's like about it's a really good chunk of change, like three minutes or something like that, I think. And I so I so I watched that even though it's a trailer. But it sort sort of gives you the idea, like, this happens, this happens. And and so I came with some idea of, like, okay.
Speaker 2:I felt bad. Was like, I came with the idea of, like, okay, this is how a plot's gonna happen. This is what's gonna happen. And I was kind of happy that it didn't play out that way, but there was actually more to the movie that needed to happen. So I felt that that was kinda good.
Speaker 2:So so I'm kind of, like, not the best person to come in to review movies, but I was, you know, I was I was like, I came with a little, like, idea of, like, how I wanted to. So I came in and was like, okay, movie. Surprise me. Yeah. Changed my mind.
Speaker 2:But I would say my my pros are like, I thought I you know, I'm a big vehicle nerd. I love the new vehicles that they showed, the new TIE fighters. You know, I just I love I love the atmosphere of them and how they interact with with things. Some things I didn't didn't like, but with that, but I can talk about that later. But I just want be more positive right now.
Speaker 2:But I love the acting. I thought the acting was great. I thought the characters were unique, and and I I liked them a lot. You know, it felt like at the end for some of them, I felt like, oh, I'm sad to see them go, but it's a war movie. So that's the And that Yeah.
Speaker 2:That's what was
Speaker 1:gonna say. It's like, it I found myself watching it, like, obviously, we'd all know what's gonna happen. And so you kinda like care everybody's gonna die. Right? Because we don't see not everybody, but like, all the people that are new in this this movie kinda have to die or something drastic has to happen to them because they don't they can't they're not hopefully, they're not gonna go back and edit re edit episode four and all of a sudden you see, you know, whatever.
Speaker 2:Yeah. They're they're not getting medals at the end of this movie. Yeah. Because they're not around. And
Speaker 1:that's where like, mean, you see the there is lots of Star Wars, what's the word, like lip service or or tie ins to people that your actors and and characters that you're gonna see in episode four that you're like, oh, that person or that person and so you know those obviously those folks are gonna be around. But all the main characters or a lot of the main characters anyways are gone and so I found myself kinda it was a bit like depressing in a way and I mean they did it in a kind of a beautiful romantic way, I guess, of how they ended the world basically. But but, yeah, some of the I I really love the vehicles like you said and and just thinking of like the contrast of watching this and then watching episode four and how the space battles will feel so limiting where like this one you're like, there's worlds below them. They're flying over land and water like land battles and sky space battles. And and just how the they couldn't do that back then obviously and when they filmed episode four originally.
Speaker 1:And and just the even the, I don't know all the names of the ships, but the big, sort of directorship guy with the sea squid looking guy. I forget what he's called. Yeah. Anyways Man Center. And he's like sitting in that chair and looking down onto the world and you could see like the battle unfolding below him and stuff and just like and all the the shots where they and they they did this a lot in episode seven too where you're seeing a space battle.
Speaker 1:The ship goes destroying off into the, you know, spinning off into the distance or whatever and landing somewhere and then they cut to another action sequence that's happening just as that thing finishes in the background kind of thing and just all those tie ins and and just the the cinematic sort of journey you went on through those space battles where it wasn't just like battle here, battle there, battle there and nothing was kind of literally connected. Obviously, storyline connected but Yeah. I I it really kind of just kept the action going and and was really cool to sort of see all those.
Speaker 2:Yeah. It's important to remember like, yeah, like, episode hope that was cutting edge Yeah. Special effects for a time. And now, it's like, you know, what do want boss? You have a workable space ship space sea fight scene?
Speaker 2:Okay. How many ships you want? Alright. Yeah. We'll just feed into the computer and everything.
Speaker 2:That's kind of
Speaker 1:But I wanna come back to some of the special effects thing. Obviously, there's characters with huge special effects, but or actors or I don't know how you what we call them. But the one actor, the the guy who plays Orson Krennic, I forget what his name is and
Speaker 2:the He'd be the the lead bad guy or
Speaker 1:No. The lead good guy, the dad of, the the guy who basically creates those Death Star or theoretically one of the main guys. And I just I can't stand him as a maybe as a person, maybe have a deep seated maybe it's his facial structure or something. Just could not I never found myself liking him enough to really care because he as everybody else, he dies. Spoiler warning.
Speaker 1:But, yeah. When Jin, you know, anyways, she recs rescues him or whatever, but eventually dies still. Yeah. I just could not really care too much because he seemed like a really crappy dad in the dad to daughter thing of like, and she obviously displayed great emotion and and sort of concern and and sadness and happiness when she found out he was still alive. She thought he was gone.
Speaker 1:But like, to not in this expansive space to wait until the Death Star is about to be built, that's when you send a message to your daughter. You know, that idea, I guess. It just kinda felt like maybe he just has an evil looking face to me or I've seen him out other stuff. He's bad guy and Oh, yeah. He's James Bond villain, think, could be mixing up.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Was Mads Mikkelsen. Yeah. Yeah. And so he's actually in the TV show Hannibal, which is a precursor to Science of the Lambs.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:And it is a it's a kind unique TV show. I didn't I didn't watch it till till it was over. And so we got the the Blu rays of it, and it's a gorgeous TV show. And he is just magnificent in as an actor in that, and so I got caught up in with watching that. So I felt just great watching him, but I I totally understand your point of view.
Speaker 2:What what a crappy dad, you know? But but but you have to understand, like, it's a Death Star. They're hiding a small planet from the rest of the universe, you know, either like Empire's, you know, friends, which would be the, you know, their senate, you know, that's been taken over. They can't tell them, oh, yeah, we Yeah. We're building a a death moon and or and we can't tell the bad guys the rebellion death moon.
Speaker 2:So, basically, I can see him understand where security is ultra tight, and so he you know, it probably takes him a while to convince the Yeah. The mole the mule to, like, you know
Speaker 1:There you go.
Speaker 2:Run away. Yeah. And so I can understand that point where, like, it's like, you know, it probably takes a while to to get message out. But yeah, I could see like
Speaker 1:You're sympathetic to bad dad, I guess, is what you're saying.
Speaker 2:Yeah. I'm like, I I like the character. He's a great actor. And so
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I wish they gave I wish them gave him more stuff to do in the movie, but they pretty much had to kill him right away in order the movie to to get started for the emotional weight of the lead character.
Speaker 1:I was kinda surprised that how quickly or how far along the Death Star was in terms of where we were in the story. Like, thought
Speaker 2:Mhmm.
Speaker 1:You know, I like obviously, I sort of knew that the little girl gets left behind or dad goes away and stuff to build the Death Star. But I thought maybe they'd have more of what's going on in that interim period. And obviously, you know, I forget how long it actually was, a couple hours probably. Mhmm. And so there was lots of stuff in there, but was kinda like I I expected the dust started to still be under construction in some form, not like ready to go.
Speaker 1:Because my memory of episode four is already like, were still testing didn't they do it like a test of it in episode four?
Speaker 2:No. I think I think they're ready to go. Right. Think they're ready. Yeah.
Speaker 2:And so what but if you remember at the end of episode three, after Darth Vader makes this famed infamous, no. I you know, he's he's a pet now of of the emperor, and they're looking to space, and they're building the exoskeleton for the Death Star. Right. And so then Rogue One comes in, like, maybe, like, 30 I forgot, like, maybe ten to thirty years later. So that's plenty of time for them to like flesh out
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:The exoskeleton and Yeah. That too. So and and, you know, Rogue One happens just like ten seconds before New Hope starts.
Speaker 1:Yeah. It's really yeah. Most movies like yep. Basically, they'll lead up to episode four. So
Speaker 2:Yeah. So so basically, they should have a commercial just me talking about that for Disney. You know, like, this this is where Rogue One fits. Listen to this guy.
Speaker 1:You bring up a good point as far as the promotion of it and like how like, obviously, Star Wars nerds will happily figure all that stuff out. But like for anybody even like I was talking to my wife and other people like, k. Like, we just finished episode seven and now we're going back to before episode four and like, what is going on? And like, there there is that barrier to entry that
Speaker 2:which I mean Yeah. Because originally it was titled Rogue One Star Wars Anthology, which is kind of like, it's a great word which means it's like a throwback story. Yeah. And But I bet And then they changed it to a Star Wars story because I don't think anyone knew what anthology means, you know, except for us. Dumbing it Yeah.
Speaker 2:I felt like, oh, man. We are a dumb dumb nation. So, just like
Speaker 1:No political commentary.
Speaker 2:So, it's like, oh, man. I was just like, Anthology, really? Because that was so cool. Yeah. But, yeah.
Speaker 1:So the It was the special effects obviously, you know, is is on par with episode seven and and modern movie, obviously, and amazing. Looks so incredible. Like, in the same way, I don't know if you've ever gone if you've gone back to what rewatch Lord of the Rings stuff and then like some of the CGI stuff and and whatever it looks actually bad now already
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah.
Speaker 1:In some of the scenes here. But like this I remember the scene where like I forget like hundreds of TIE fighters. Yeah. TIE fighters are are flying out of the Oh, man. Like, almost like swarms of of ants or whatever flying out of this the one ship and like, it just like just thinking about how the impossible that would have been episode four level for sure.
Speaker 1:And even like the CGI of that in episode one to three when they're making and how like they would have had half of that maybe because it would have just taken years to render Yeah. You know, the the scale of that alone.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Because in Return of the Jedi, there's I think it's Admiral Akbar, Akbar's view, and he's looking at looking out and then all these TIE fighters, coming at him. And I think I remember a special. I think it like 78 or 80 TIE fighters or 80 things that they had to put on the screen. And they had to almost do it by hand or whatever, but and what what they used do is, like, I think they cut a hole into the film and they plug it in with the the with the tie fighter thing coming at you.
Speaker 2:And so it was like really laborious process Yeah. To get this view of all these tie fighters coming at at the in terms of your point of view when you see on the screen. And it's just like it was like, this is the most number of, like, you know, special effects on the screen ever done before. And and for this movie, it was just like, here, have a couple 100 TIE fighters. We'll just throw them at you.
Speaker 2:And I was like, if this is, like, original Star Wars movie, that ship that they're about to hit would be dead. It'd be like this a big amount of rubble, you know, and just just destroying to the planet below.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Exactly. Oh, no. I wasn't thinking of Tie Fighter. It's the what's the the the Empire's Tie Fighter equivalent like that the with the two wings on the side and the I'm sorry Star Wars nerds.
Speaker 1:You're rolling over in your grave right now. Anyways, whatever those ones are, the bad guys ones. Which I guess goes back to where a bit of like my with my love with Star Wars is that I love it. I love watching it. I love introducing it to my kids.
Speaker 1:I love rewatching it all happily, but I like I don't get really lost in the minutiae of of specifics which probably drives some folks mad, but but I still like recognize characters that you're you're coming at you out of nowhere and like Jamie Smits is in this Yeah. As which he was in episode three. But that's again where it was like timeline. Was like, okay. Was he in episode seven?
Speaker 1:And then I like, no no. He couldn't have been episode seven because obviously that's way in the future. He must have been episode three and that's where I, yeah, trying to remember who is what and where.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Yeah. Because Jimmy Spitz is, just for people who know, Leia's adopted not adopted, but like his he takes over raising Leia pretty much.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:And so so that's why. Yeah. And so he's little bit older now in the in the movie. So his age as was so we have you all. Yeah.
Speaker 2:That's since the first episodes one through three.
Speaker 1:Senator Ball Organa is
Speaker 2:the Yeah.
Speaker 1:Wiki Wiki will reveal to us. But, yeah. The acting speaking of the actors that they brought back, the the main the ones that were like at first you're like, how is that even possible? And then you realize, oh, it's CG. Like Yeah.
Speaker 1:The the Admiral is it, I think, and
Speaker 2:General Tarkin is
Speaker 1:Oh, General Tarkin. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And Leia, for sure, obviously.
Speaker 2:Spoiler. Yeah. That's a big spoiler. Yeah. But but a big conversation for us after we saw it was the it's the thing called the uncan uncanny valley where things look too they look similar, but almost similar, like, almost to what the original was, but not enough Yeah.
Speaker 2:To, like, it looks kinda weird. And I thought general it was sometimes called governor Tarkin. I thought he looked great. I thought he did they did a great job of making his face because he he passed away and so a while back. And so I thought he did a good job in in re re reconstructing his face.
Speaker 2:Some of his acting, like, you know, his facial tics, I think, aren't aren't aren't aren't exactly what I would figure that he would do. But for the most part, they did a great job. But I didn't I didn't mind watching his face on there. When at the very end, have Princess Leia, I thought that was a very uncanny valley. I was like, I like, that's not.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Princess Leia. And in fact, I was making an argument in afterwards, like, should have just hired someone who looks like Princess Leia did back then, like Carrie Fisher did back then, and just dub her lines because that would've been, like, the little better, I thought, maybe. So that's
Speaker 1:but, just
Speaker 2:that's just my point.
Speaker 1:Yeah. It's a it's an interesting test, I I wonder, I forgot to ask my dad about that. But I, you know, it's like somebody who isn't Star Wars savvy, let's say, and someone who is less movie savvy even or whatever that just kind of casual casual movie watcher. If they watch that, are they gonna pick up that those are CG act air quotes actors or are they is it close enough that it passes over most people's sort of recollection or view of it? Because like Tarka yeah.
Speaker 1:Tarka was it yeah. When he he first comes on, you're like, okay, that that can't happen.
Speaker 2:He's not
Speaker 1:because it is that good and then and then there's like, know, there is just some things where you can see that it's okay. And maybe it's from playing too many video games too where you're like, okay, I can see now how they're doing that. But yeah, I'd be curious to know what the average person watching that, you know, sees and if they if it pulls them out of it too much like it kind of did for you and I, know, just sort of recognizing it. But, and I agree, like Leia's the character or the actor or whatever, definitely sort of felt off. It felt more cartoony almost than real and so then you're like pulled in multiple directions kind of emotionally almost because I think it almost would have been better if they just left it from a behind the shots, behind her shot as she's getting the plans and then just cut to black or whatever rather than actually revealing her.
Speaker 1:It felt like too much of a, oh, here's this big trick we're gonna play on you and show you how great you did and it's like, oh, you didn't you know, like the big reveal of a whole whole makeover room. You're like, ew,
Speaker 2:I don't really like that. Yeah. It was supposed supposed to be this shiny moment where like, we just put the stamp on this movie, like, bam, it's delivered.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:That's the way it was supposed to. And I just felt like, no, that just that that did not work.
Speaker 1:I would
Speaker 2:love I did that one.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Arguments going back and forth, I'm sure, in the, you know, Editing Room to the VR room to the management room or whatever. Not VR, to the yeah. Even at the producer level, etcetera, and and director, you know, and like whether to include that or not, I'm sure we're fairly heated just because you can tell it's not perfect. And so they had to have had some discussion about do we do it or not,
Speaker 2:you know? I I felt it was like, hey, Bob, we paid for the CGI. We we gotta use it. I mean, paid for it. Like, we gotta use it.
Speaker 2:And I I was thinking, like, what if they just didn't have that scene? They just had that scene where the ship just goes into space. Right? Yeah. And there's a big void of space away from the battle.
Speaker 2:And then you're just then you go up to the movie to the end to the next part where you don't know if they if they it succeeds. Right? Yeah. But that's but that's not the point of the movie. Right?
Speaker 2:The point of the movie is about hope against all odds, which is what Star Wars is about. And so they just should have just shot that off in the space. And so if your only Star Wars movie is Rogue One, right, you come in blind, you could still come up and and pick up the next episode four. Right? And just and go see that.
Speaker 2:Yeah. And so that that would be my thought was like, don't don't tie in all the loose ends even though they're not really loose ends. Yeah. Obvious. But Yeah.
Speaker 2:So and felt like, you don't need that scene. You don't need And the other scene that I thought was, like, totally badass, but not needed was that when when Vader starts killing people on the Rebel ship, he's just like a master ninja warrior, you know? Yeah. Just like he's like he's a ninja. He's not like a Sith Lord, but because it's like this weird scene where it's all dark and then he comes out, his lightsaber turns on.
Speaker 2:And I was like, you know, I I pants a little bit because I was just, like, scared. I was like, oh my god. And so but then he charged like doing this like ninja, like like, I really don't Yeah. This is a guy who was in a milk bath like two minutes ago. Yeah.
Speaker 2:And so he's come out and like kinda helped
Speaker 1:That's where yeah. Again, it felt like they could've I I kept expecting them to cut the movie and like end it. I was like, okay, now they're gonna oh no, now they're gonna Yeah. Because like even when Vader comes out and you know, the door blast is about to happen, was like, okay, now they're gonna cut it because we're gonna not see him actually come through and then we're gonna you know, episode four will happen. But then he lights his lightsaber.
Speaker 1:Was like, okay, now they're gonna cut, you know, and just like go out on that or whatever and like what's gonna happen? Because I thought they'd show more of him chasing I know it's like literally basically right before episode four, I thought they'd show more of him chasing them around the galaxy. Not that that was gonna be the actual moments that it was gonna happen, you know? And and like you said, like, sort of leading just a bit of ambiguity there so that you're not like literally, yeah, knowing the next step is Right. Is that or whatever episode four.
Speaker 1:So
Speaker 2:Right. And and then and then and I hate that. I I just I'm very critical of this movie. But my other complaint was that, you know, Darth Vader is doing his thing and then our heroes, after going to top this tower to send the plans off, you know, to and hopefully that that changes it, they realize that they're, like, dead. Like, they're just dead.
Speaker 2:Right? So what do they do? They go to the elevator, and apparently, there's a secret button that takes them to the private beach villa that bypasses all this war Yeah. That's going on. Right?
Speaker 2:And so they bypass their all the the emperor's, like, soldiers, you know, the stormtroopers, and they get back on the beach. Yeah. I was like, how did you get back on the beach? That that would take a lot of effort. After you must say we have, like, no adrenaline.
Speaker 2:So, like, there must be some easy, fast way to get to the beach and just plop down the sand. Yeah. And so and my other thought was like, oh my god. The ending of Westworld, which I'm not sure you watched Westworld Yeah. But but it was two robots, like the the kind of lead.
Speaker 2:They ended their scene on the beach in each other's arms. I'm like, oh my god. That's a scene in Westworld. This is
Speaker 1:They just like pull back and you're like, and there's Anthony Hopkins directing.
Speaker 2:I'm like, oh my god. Anthony Hopkins. You're the beach too. Oh my god. Yes.
Speaker 2:Oh, exactly. I was like, oh my god. That is not good. That is not good way to be in the movie. Because I I thought they were just that'd a perfect thing just to watch just don't stay on the platform realizing you're dead.
Speaker 2:This is and watching Yeah. Like, at the moment battle below Yeah. Watch and see your friends dead dead, which is like not what I want them to see, but like the emotional weight of And then you see up the horizon, you know, this this tsunami wave of death coming at you and that's a perfect time to like, say all they need to say. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Kind of the like like Luke hanging on to the bottom of Cloud City or whatever, know, that like sort of just like at the end of the world basically and we're Yeah. And and in the moment and the space and the time that they actually, know, completed their mission and then collapse there kind of thing, like you said, I think it would have been much better. Right. And go ahead. You're
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah. And and they're like on top of a communications array. So they could talk to anyone they wanted to. And like, hey, can we get some help?
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:You know, down here. Like, hey, you know what? You know what we really need? A beach. Yeah.
Speaker 2:That's like We call for help. No. No. A beach.
Speaker 1:It's like they they had it in the contract. They had to they had to die. We have to we can't in our rebellion contract, we have to die. It's too hard to work us into episode four, so let's figure out a nice way to do that rather than like, hey, there's a ship right there. We could just like if they flew by us, we could probably do some sort of grappling hook thing and get out of here, you know, and maybe figure out what we're gonna do with these plans or whatever rather than relying on Mhmm.
Speaker 1:Transmission that we think went through, and it looks like it went through, but how do we actually know it went through and Right. All that stuff. But I I think I Go ahead, Alex.
Speaker 2:Yeah. I think they had to have a death scene just for the kids, you know, to For the kids. Because it it it it gets like the the it's it's the lead actress, like, the movies. Like, you just can't have that's the one part they can't have any ambiguity about. Yeah.
Speaker 2:And they just can't say, like, you know, but other other things they can have, like but but I felt like that's why he's like, well, for kids, we can't we'll have them like an it's a nice beach scene with a sunset fueled by a atomic explosion.
Speaker 1:I thought when that thing went down originally, I was like, oh, they missed. Like, what you know, when they they shot the planet because they they shoot off to the side, which I understand makes for a nice, like you said, like tsunami wave of death coming. But why not just shoot it right into the middle of this whole thing where they were, everybody was. You're like, nobody's getting off right now because it start you know, like they did with the city earlier that they where they destroyed their planet or whatever and like started shot it right into the city, everybody's done, know. So initially I was kinda like, oh, they missed it.
Speaker 1:It's they're gonna get out. They're not gonna have to die on the beach.
Speaker 2:Well well, was Tarkin's first shot. So maybe he didn't Yeah. The owner's manual just ripped well enough, you know.
Speaker 1:He wasn't doing like the lining up. I loved how some of the the graphics and the gooey sort of stuff in the in the spaceships that they show shown was still like harken to what episode four looks like rather than like what, you know, in episode seven and stuff where it's a little more fancied up but like still just like lining up little ASCII ships on the
Speaker 2:on screen. Yeah. I thought first first thing, we get like the HAL 9,000 screensaver.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:Like all those old graphics from HAL nine. It's like, oh, I was told that I never was back. Yeah. It's it's old. Like nice little line art, vector art that we could do that we could do at the at the time.
Speaker 2:So
Speaker 1:So the the big thrust or like one interesting sort of discussion I think maybe we can end with is like the the idea of how this ties up a big plot hole or or, you know, storyline issue people always had, I always had with episode four was like, why would the the Empire build this Death Star with a fairly obvious like pipe right down to the middle. If you happen to drop a wrench down there, it might destroy the whole thing.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Does the I felt like it it it sat well enough with me in terms of Star Wars storytelling that that could happen and how this guy, you know, built this flaw in it so that the rebels could actually do it rather than like going he knew they were gonna actually do it. They're gonna build it somehow with or without him, so he'd rather be involved and be able to like, yeah, plant a metaphorical bomb, I guess, for it later on. But how did that sit with you?
Speaker 2:Oh, that's it's it's okay with me. I didn't have a problem. Like, I love the joke about it because, you know, Adult Swim has a Star Wars parody. Like, everyone has, like, joke about, oh, they couldn't cover up a
Speaker 1:two
Speaker 2:meter exhaust port, you know, with, like, a big piece of plywood. But but I felt but, yeah, in that, it's like I felt like they, oh, we'll we'll explain that away. And so I thought that's okay. I think they still have to go back and do, like, Rogue Two with the mission plans for the Bothans who die and explain why it's okay for two meters Fort White to be open for Luke Skywalker to shoot to to blow up the Death Star. But when you have in Return of the Jedi, a Millennium Falcon can just fly through the Death Star, you know, that's a little bit bigger than two meters.
Speaker 2:Like, hey, maybe we should have learned something like it's just like, you know, X Wing just flies through it.
Speaker 1:Like, no problem. That's what watching it with my son who was I think eight at the time even when he he watched the series the original series first, for the first time and he was kinda like, wait, because we just watched episode four and episode five right after like, they're doing the same thing again. Yeah. But I I agree. I think it like for this one, think it's great.
Speaker 1:I think that I don't know if that's an official plan or not to do it between episode four and episode five to do another story. I've heard like Han Solo's standalone movie is coming or whatever into so but but yeah, it's I think in summation for me anyways, it it's I still love the movie. That's again going back to earlier where I don't get lost in like specific details. I I like I can appreciate some of the specific stuff and whether it comes off good or bad. It doesn't really phase my enjoyment of the movie as a whole and I'll happily like, you know, my son when I was leaving for it like two or three times before I left, was like, you're so lucky, dad.
Speaker 1:You're so lucky. Because I got to go see the movie or whatever. And, like I'll happily see with him again and then when it comes out on video, etcetera. Mhmm. It's I I can probably aside from like my my Star Wars, I I know some Facebook you post so you're ranking and like of all the the episode or the movies and definitely episodes one to three are like substantially lower.
Speaker 1:I don't really go back unless I like with my son, I'm gonna probably watch them just for the one time with him and that'll be enough. I don't get a lot of Star Wars enjoyment out of those ones, but but definitely four, five, six, and seven and now this one too are like I can just happily rewatch them anytime and and Yeah. Enjoy it.
Speaker 2:So how about Yeah. You could definitely go for Yeah. You could definitely go through Rogue One all the way to episode seven. Like, the Rogue One episode four, five, six
Speaker 1:and I was wondering about episode three. Like, just I can't I know there's a lot of like just annoying battle
Speaker 2:Mhmm.
Speaker 1:Stuff, which I know for a kid would would be awesome to watch. But Right. I think I was thinking maybe starting with episode three and going forward just because then you get at least some of the like the little neat callbacks to people like Jimmy Smiths or whatever, so you know who he is. But Right.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Yeah. Like, as a Star Wars fan, the first half hour of episode three is fine. Like, it's like, it's a little like whatever, like sometimes. But, the first half hour, like, hey, this is this feels like a Star Wars movie.
Speaker 2:And then it just falls back into, like, seriously, what did you and, like and the fight scenes are a little bit more interesting because they they go to different planets. But and then that no that first no for the Darth Vader. Like but you get to see the Darth Vader, how he comes into being Yeah. With that. But but that's pretty okay, you know.
Speaker 2:You know? So you can see it. It's it's definitely not the worst of the three of of the three prequels that Lucas did. So and I I just so, yeah. That that's my recommendation for you if you need to see it.
Speaker 2:But but I feel like, you know, the the cartoon show that Disney did, the what's it? What was it called? It's called Rebels now. Those are Clone Wars before. Yeah.
Speaker 2:The the last seasons of Clone Wars was actually pretty good. And then the Rebels TV show for kids, you know, was really good, which was telling the story and so on too. So it's So I don't know if you're someone you've ever seen those yet.
Speaker 1:Yeah. We've watched some of the the big that's what's annoying about Netflix is though. I'm like, why don't we finish watching the the Star War the which is The Clone Wars, you know, if that. And like, yeah, we want to and then, you know, I'll find they'll be watching some other random crap on Netflix cartoons or whatever that is less interesting. And so they they don't they don't have that like desired completion that I do, the OCD part part of my brain that like I need to finish this series or whatever.
Speaker 1:I'll I'll I'll still have time to teach them a little about that I guess but but in terms of Rogue One GTD. Yeah. Rogue One for you, where does it how does it sit now having watched it once and the day after? Well,
Speaker 2:they they were. My other I would say this, my other complaint with it is that, you know, it's a war movie. Things are heated a lot, but I felt like there was more anger expressed in Han and Solo. Han trying to get no. Han Solo trying to get Princess Leia to evacuate Hoth than there was in this movie.
Speaker 2:It was just for, like, just people just getting by. Like, you know, like, they're just like like, even though they're in prison, they're pretty cool. They're pretty chill. Yeah. They're pretty pretty in prison, you know.
Speaker 2:Return of the Jedi, like, Luke was like, fell down Jabba's, you know, trap. He had this, like, rank carved monster coming after him. He was freaking out. You know, he was freaking out. Yeah.
Speaker 2:And he was in prison. Right? But they they they had people in prison like, oh, well, this is pretty chill.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Even for, for the main guy, jeez. I'm sorry. I should have but anyways, how he like, when he's in prison, it's like he says, it's his first time for me in prison.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1:And he's he's the one that at least who's like trying to get out or whatever of prison a bit. But even still, it's not like a, oh, well, it is you know, he's pretty much like, I guess this is where I'm gonna be unless I can figure something out. But
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Whatever. I guess I had a mission and oh, well.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So that's my only thing. And then there's a couple points in movie where I, you know, where where he I think I think his name is Diego Luna. I think his his his actor's name.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:And so he plays Kaysian Andor. Yeah. That's right. It's named Kaysian Andor. And so there's a scene where he has to go kill well, it's a spoiler.
Speaker 2:Like, he has to kill Jen Erser's dad. Right? And so he's he's he's he's got, a spotlight, like, not like whatever was a long distance rifle to to go kill him.
Speaker 1:Sniper rifle.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Yes. Sniper rifle. And so but he could totally but he feels like, oh, regret from like, he doesn't want to do it. He doesn't pull the trigger.
Speaker 2:The big emotional weight to the movie. I didn't feel the weight of that that scene whatsoever. I I felt like, okay, don't kill him. Kill his boss. Yeah.
Speaker 2:You know? And then because I felt like you didn't really need because, like, then the boss has to go see Darth Vader. That's how he pulled in Darth Vader. And I felt that's the initial scene with Darth Vader were and and and our review of the movie after after seeing it was, hearing Darth Vader pull puns was not really what you wanna hear. Like, because Darth Vader is an evil badass who plays it straight.
Speaker 2:Yeah. You know? And in the cartoon, he's a little bit more, you know, when he's on the light side, he's kinda like more fun and does puns and does crazy stuff. But when he comes to death Darth Vader, he's just like, no no personality. He's just there to kick your butt.
Speaker 2:And so that was a little jarring to see that. And in in the in the video games I played with with with when Vader shows up, he does their have puns. So that was like, I don't really understand that. But in terms of, I guess, like, how how I waited, I felt like it was kind of third best Star Wars movie. Like, I I would put Return of the Jedi down the fourth.
Speaker 2:So it'd be like Empire Strikes Back, New Hope, Rogue One, Return of the Jedi because I can't, you know, the idea of teddy bears seeming the universe after everything. You're anti evil
Speaker 1:in your platform. Yeah.
Speaker 2:No, I'm not anti Ewok. Like, I love I love teddy bears. But, you know, I just feel like I don't see, you know, Ewok's really just giving Empire a bad a bad time. So and then and then the prequels after that. Yeah.
Speaker 2:But then in episode seven after but yeah. Episode seven above, right right below Rogue One and then probably Return the Jedi. So but Yeah. But that's only that. Yeah.
Speaker 1:How about the speaking of comic comedic relief, forgot to mention the new droid that obviously, every Star Wars movie has to have some sort of new droid to sell new toys and whatever. But
Speaker 2:Yeah. The k two s o. I had to look look that up. Yeah. But I tweeted out to Alan Chunnik, think is how you say his name.
Speaker 2:Chunnik, yeah. Yeah. He stole the show, you know, because I said, like, my thing was that it's a very it's a war movie. It's very tense. And then he comes out and with his first joke, it lands.
Speaker 2:And then it felt like a Star Wars movie at that point because there's gonna be some comedy comedy in there. You know, hopefully I don't think he had most of the jokes. I wish other people had jokes
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Other characters in there. But he had the joke and I felt like, oh, okay. You know, it's a Star Wars movie now because because there is some comedy. There's life happening elsewhere. And it happens to be come from you know, a robot.
Speaker 1:Yeah. And and unlike c three p o who's, know, they make an appearance obviously in r r two d two, have to throw them in there just for a moment just so that everybody's like, oh. But, I don't know. I I think the fan service stuff is is necessary, I guess, and it's fun. I don't take it too seriously as far as whether it should be there or not.
Speaker 1:It's it is it is what it is, and they'll continue to do it, I'm sure. But but, yeah, I felt like he the he plays like the voicing of it, and it's sort of droid ish, but it's still his voicing obviously. It was much just sort of like the in terms of comedic relief, a much more palatable and even in the face of like, you know, death happening. He, you know, he does the droid jokes or whatever of probability and stuff like that, but it wasn't didn't feel too heavy handed and too like in your face. But like you said, I I think he was kind of like the sole comedic relief almost in terms of people who should be giving comedic relief for the movie.
Speaker 1:And so that was a bit of like, okay, he's on screen. It's gonna be a joke. Know, it's kind of the almost a feeling by the end of the movie. But but like for being purely, I'm assuming mostly CGI, I don't know how how am I blanking on the director of episode seven? Anyways, yeah, how he wanted to make you know, do real life effects as much as possible and then use CGI as as sort of a
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah. An add on. JJ.
Speaker 1:JJ Williams. Yeah. Of course. I don't know, with Gareth Edwards, think it is, how, you know, sort of strict he was to that idea. I think a lot of it obviously with some of the actors being CGI were, you know, obviously, he's free to play with that.
Speaker 1:But, but having it be just a CG slash realistic looking robot and all the emotion is basically through his acting, his voice acting. I thought he did great, like incredible amount. Just the connection between him and Jyn Erso and this their interplay and as well as with Kassarian or Kassarian, how do we say his name, you know, the the sort of relationship they have and when he dies and stuff and gives his life for them, etcetera, obviously, spoiler, and stuff like that. It plays really well and lands really well and isn't doesn't feel forced or just sort of stuck in there as a now the robot saves them and they, you know, continue on. It's it kinda like you sort of I went into that scene anyways thinking the robot's gonna figure out a way to continue on in the story with them, not die because again, it felt a bit like, you know, he has to he can't continue on exactly as is.
Speaker 1:But Mhmm. You know, in the sake for the sake just for the sake of marketing and selling toys, like, it's a little less exciting to buy your k two s o toy knowing that he gets completely destroyed.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Well, could still bring him back because like he's a droid, so he just True. Back his voice at least. So it would be like be like, you know, you know. So I I feel like I think he's the kind of like the the breakout star.
Speaker 2:And so I could definitely see him coming back in a Star Wars movie like a either the Han Solo movie that they're doing, the young Han Solo movie, or even episode eight, they bring him back and say but not have him be the same character, but maybe a different droid
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:With his voice. Yeah. So But but yeah. Do you want to hear like a really minor minor complaint?
Speaker 1:Sure. Then we'll As
Speaker 2:far as right?
Speaker 1:Yeah. We'll
Speaker 2:Okay. It under Just little minor. But go You just you just you you cut this part right here. Like, this will be like the extra.
Speaker 1:This is the lighter part walking in where like No. They should have cut it when, Chris started talking about this. No. Was like Yeah.
Speaker 2:I was like, oh. So like so she goes up to the platform and, and it's like, oh, the the antenna's not aligned. Right? Which is like, oh, whatever. And so, oh, how do I align antenna?
Speaker 2:Well, I go out onto this gang walkway. Right? And there's controls over there, which is like, okay. So you need controls to see how the the antenna dish is lined up visually. Right?
Speaker 2:Totally cool. But the controls are the same controls that they were like they look like inside, you know, the buildings in the in the desk tower. Right? Like, which is totally cool because it's a controlled environment. But here, we can have, like, you know, sandstorms.
Speaker 2:We could have, like, water. I'm like, these controls are not waterproof, dude. This is this is not material military grade Yeah. Controls, man. You can get some sand in here and these gears will just lock up.
Speaker 2:I don't understand. Yeah. So I was like, man, this guy, whoever designed this, is just not doing a good job. He's not taking the sand into consideration because we're all and then and then you had the my other complaint was that the plat the color plat palette for all the Rogue One, that, like, the core team for Rogue One and the ship, pretty much all the same except for the machine gun guy who has red color red in his in his outfit. And I I would have liked it if the two people that they picked up off that planet onto the ship, the Jedi, you know, enthusiast enthusiast Yeah.
Speaker 2:And the machine gun guy, they were like had cut a color, like, they had that planet sand more on on their clothes Right. And and kicked. So they stood off a little bit different and they could actually feel like, yeah, they're part of the team, they kind of were different because everyone just had the same.
Speaker 1:All kind blended together.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So that that that was my thing. Because like even in the Star Wars episode four, you know you know, I think Luke's outfit looks similar to in style of Obi Wan, but Obi Wan wore brownish and, you know, whatever. But they sound like the same kind of tunic. But you could pair that with Han.
Speaker 2:Han was like, had a vest and like dashing and of course, Chewy just had hair. But but yeah, but I thought that would have been a little bit different just to have nice like kind of a more of a rogue gallery, rogue's gallery Yeah. Of thing. Or that not everything looked.
Speaker 1:Which kind of lends itself to like how disposable everybody actually was. And you kind of knew they were like the what is it? The red shirts in Star Trek or whatever like, they're going down to be fodder so that we can watch them all basically die.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Uh-huh. And not not remember them ever again from Yeah. Rogue One.
Speaker 2:So so my question to you is like who died the the best? Like who had the best death scene? Oh. That's
Speaker 1:tough. I'm trying to think of a because there it's funny actually. Now that we we talked, I wouldn't have thought of it really as a movie full of death but there is like like we said at the beginning like everybody has to die basically or a lot of the cast has to die. I don't know. I mean the the cinematic version I didn't like it in the storyline but the cinematic version of like everybody you know the two whatever friends, romantic interests, I don't know what they're sort of left as, but on the beach with the wave of death coming in on them is interesting.
Speaker 1:Mhmm. But I I kinda liked, I I don't know how you say his name, Truett Imwe, the Jedi enthusiast or whatever. Just like you knew it was gonna do something like that where he's gonna go out, he's gonna use the force in some way and but it it felt like watching him walk across this field of, you know, gunfire and everything, to try and save and you knew it was gonna work, but and then he'd probably die right after. But I actually that just the connection between him and, I forget his name, Baz Baz Malbus or whatever the guy, the machine gun guy that was with him. Was I like the pairing of those two together, the contrast that they had in character and style and and everything and how they're kind of like caring for each other but not really, but then obviously really do when it comes down right down to it.
Speaker 1:I thought that sort of played very well and maybe in repeat viewings, it wouldn't be as emotional because you'd know, obviously knowing what's gonna happen. Mhmm. But I think, yeah, for them. How about you? What's your It's like a fun favorite Star Wars death.
Speaker 2:Let's see. I think Bodhi, I felt like I felt more concerned with him because he actually went through a trial of, like, having his mind, like, harassed, assaulted.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:And he's trying to do something good after years of Imperial training. You know, he his arc seemed I could relate to more, you know, even though I saw Jyn's, you know, whole whole storyline, I felt like because I was projecting what I thought his his arc was. And just to have a stormtrooper throw a grenade into the shuttle and just and blow him up, it's like, oh, man, you just you know death's about to happen. You know, you can see his grenade about to go off. There's nowhere to run.
Speaker 2:Yeah. I don't know I don't know if what I did was, you know, right. You know, like, you know, I felt like, you know, that was probably like a really bad bad way to go in terms of that. Because maybe because I'm a little bit claustrophobic and I'm like, oh, my God. Just want those grenade while I'm in the closet.
Speaker 2:I'm like, oh, God. That's that's not bad.
Speaker 1:Yeah. It was
Speaker 2:like, that's the way it
Speaker 1:worked out. It was kind of a sad way for him to go in the end. Like you It felt like Yeah. After all this like work of getting this stupid cable from point eight, like the sort of video game mechanic of like, you have to complete this quest and then you can move on to the next phase and his next phase is small confined space with a grenade.
Speaker 2:Right. Yeah. And it's it's a totally Disney thing to do. I found it like it it happens a lot more in Disney movies, especially the cartoons and stuff like that. It's like, what they wanna do, they show you how like, oh, it's easy for me to do this.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's taken away. Okay. I have a plan b, and then as I accomplish plan b to accomplish, you know, get in the line. And then also that gets destroyed. So I have to come up with plan c on the fly and figure that out.
Speaker 2:And so you'd see this, you know, one of the examples is like Mickey Mouse in in the Beanstalk. It's like, he has to, like, figure out ways to go do it and getting out of trouble all the time. And so that's just kind of like, kind of a typical use for that. But here, it's just like, you know, I'm just gonna get up and walk through lasers with the laser fire and then I'm gonna push the button. Yeah.
Speaker 2:I felt like it would be better if like he got hit just as he was about to push the button and then he's like, oh, I gotta figure out some way to do it, you know, to get up there and and do it. That would have been kind of cool for me. Was like Yeah. It would have like found the force, you know, to do something or whatever
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:To do it. So, or like, look, he's walking halfway through and you think he's gotta push the button and he's like, oh, wait, I'm gonna go kick kick some bad guys, you know, like Yeah. Whatever in the middle of it. And then I'm gonna push the button. And by by kicking all those bad guys ass, I can then do the button.
Speaker 2:Because, like, if you see, when he's introduced to the to us the viewers, he does, like, some, like, ninja move. I mean, I hate to use the word ninjas, but, like, does a lot of, like, you know, martial arts things that kills bunch of storm stormtroopers, like like, that lead to one movement that leads him to kill another's movement or that leads him to pick up a weapon or or, like, allows him to, like, you know, do all this cool stuff to use their weaknesses against them. But here, you know, he doesn't use that at all. He's just like, oh, just walk. Yeah.
Speaker 2:So Yeah. But yeah.
Speaker 1:Alright. So we're both giving the enthusiast enthusiastic thumbs up with some, caveats to Rogue One, I guess. Yeah. So we're
Speaker 2:And and I pointed out out of love. Yeah. I know. I love the movie. It's a great movie.
Speaker 2:It's kinda
Speaker 1:like family, like you're allowed to make fun of it, but nobody else is. Right. Somebody else makes fun of Rogue One, you're gonna punch them in the grenade or whatever.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Yeah. If Star Wars Star Trek fans make fun of him, Then I'll be like, hey, dude. What's up? Yeah.
Speaker 2:You know.
Speaker 1:That's when you don your Chewy suit. Yeah. Thank very much. People need to follow your Instagram to see your you and your Chewy suits because I'm it's not just a joke. Yeah.
Speaker 1:No. Well, maybe it is funny, but it's not. It is actually Yeah.
Speaker 2:I I wore I wore my Chewy outfit, a costume, and I had like 20 selfies with strangers I've never met before. It was awesome. I just, you know, spreading the love.
Speaker 1:So what's your Twitter handle and then I guess it's?
Speaker 2:Teleject, t e l e j e c t, on Twitters and also on Instagram and and pretty much everything. GitHub if you're into that sort of thing.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Yeah. And I'm at Chris on Twitter. And so if you have disagreements, arguments, complaints, except for the length of this podcast, that's you're not allowed to complain about because it's free. You could have shut it off a long time ago.
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Speaker 2:This this La Croix is gonna be a lightsaber. Yeah. I'm holding it up right here. Oh, yeah. For the Patreon folks,
Speaker 1:they'll get a a special laser disc edition.
Speaker 2:It's cran raspberry colored lightsaber. That's right.
Speaker 1:And, you've been listening on goodstuff.fm, goodstuff.fm/dailyish where you can find this podcast. This is episode 193, and, we'll be back again someday soon. Thank you for listening or watching on Patreon. Patreon.com/ichris. Goodbye.
Speaker 1:Have a great day. Thanks for listening.
Speaker 2:Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1:Go see Star Wars. Let me know what your thoughts are. Bye.